In this episode, Matt Stauffer sits down with Adam Wathan, creator of Tailwind CSS, to talk about the very real impact AI is having on product companies, open source communities, and the broader tech landscape. Adam shares how AI has affected Tailwind’s business, including revenue shifts and the difficult decision to make layoffs.

They discuss the emotional weight of leading through change, the search for new opportunities in an AI-shaped world, and what it means for developer education moving forward. Adam emphasizes that while AI is reshaping how we build, developers must adapt to AI tools while maintaining the human element of software development.

• Matt Stauffer on Twitter
• Tighten Website
• Adam Wathan on Twitter
• Tailwind CSS
• Adam’s Podcast Episode Re: Layoffs
• Buy Back Your Time Book

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Editing and transcription sponsored by Tighten.

In this episode of Pragmatic AI, host Matt Stauffer interviews Aaron Francis, a Laravel developer and co-founder of Try Hard Studios. They discuss Aaron's journey from being a software developer to an educator, the impact of AI on the development landscape, and the importance of adapting to new technologies. Aaron shares his insights on the challenges and opportunities presented by AI, the shift in developer education, and his current ventures, including faster.dev, which focuses on teaching engineers how to use AI effectively. The conversation also touches on the quality of code produced by AI and the importance of maintaining standards in software development.

• Matt Stauffer on Twitter
• Tighten Website
• Aaron Francis on Twitter
• Aaron Francis Website
• Try Hard Studios
• Faster.dev
• Mostly Technical Podcast

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Editing and transcription sponsored by Tighten.

AI is *everywhere*, like it or not. Everyone's either hating or hyping. But where do you find the middle?

New podcast alert! First episode drops 2/10/26. Short, practical interviews w/builders, founders, & researchers using & studying real-world AI.