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Conversations with Priscilla McKinney, founder and President of Little Bird Marketing, an award-winning agency specializing in content marketing, lead generation, branding and design. As a CEO and serial entrepreneur, Priscilla's topics range from marketing best practices, the "stunning discomfort" of entrepreneurship, market research, her love of the autoharp, and other marketing oddities.℗ & © 2018 Ponderings from the Perch Art Economie
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    • Closing the Gap Between the CRO and the CMO
      Feb 20 2026
      Most companies hand their CMO and CRO different scorecards and then act surprised when they fight over the same leads. On this episode of Ponderings from the Perch, the Little Bird Marketing podcast, host and CEO Priscilla McKinney examines why the relationship between chief marketing officers and chief revenue officers breaks down before a single lead changes hands. The tension isn't about incompatible personalities or departmental turf wars. It exists because bonuses are tied to different outcomes, "qualified" definitions remain unspoken, and timing expectations never align. When one executive optimizes for brand awareness while another chases quarterly closes, no amount of collaboration workshops will bridge the divide that the org chart itself has severed. The marketing qualified lead becomes the flashpoint. Marketing celebrates engagement metrics and demographic fit. Sales dismisses anything short of active intent. Neither side agrees on what distinguishes browsing from buying. Yet, both departments defend their interpretations as if revenue depended on being right rather than on alignment—the argument over lead quality masks a deeper issue. Nobody defined what sales qualification actually requires before the first campaign launched. "If marketing thought that was a marketing qualified lead, then instead of getting more of them to try and solve this problem by a numbers game, why don't we all get back in the room and talk about what a marketing qualified lead would actually look like?" McKinney asks. "The salesperson's job is to qualify them for sales, but there is a piece that marketing can do." Fixing the CMO-CRO relationship doesn't require new software or revised messaging. It requires rebuilding the foundation both roles stand on. Shared incentives, transparent data, and defined handoff criteria transform what feels like a personality clash into what it actually is. A solvable systems problem. Companies that treat b2b lead generation as a shared accountability rather than a departmental transaction stop arguing over who's responsible for failed conversions and start optimizing the entire revenue path together. Music written and performed by Leighton Cordell. Sponsors: Priscilla McKinney here! I am very excited to tell you about my book: Collaboration is the New Competition: Why the Future of Work Rewards A Cross Pollinating Hive Mind and How Not to Get Left Behind The book's chapters are designed to be time-efficient, ensuring busy professionals can easily integrate these transformative ideas into their workflow. From discussing the state of affairs in business to providing fundamental strategies and seven practical anchors for staying on course, this book offers a fresh perspective and a competitive advantage in today's complex business landscape. Visit priscillamckinney.com for more information. Tired of generic marketing firms that don't get market research? Say hello to Little Bird Marketing, the revenue generation company of choice for the market research industry. Our "peeps" understand market research inside and out. We know your buyers, craft meaningful messages that move them to buy, understand the competitive landscape and where you fit in the market. We get the industry - from qual/quant to emerging technologies. Why settle for getting the job done when you can soar with marketing that drives real revenue? Click here to get started.
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      26 min
    • A Novel Approach to Data Quality in Consumer Insights
      Feb 6 2026
      The incentive at every layer of market research is to pass as many respondents through as possible, which means the behavior follows exactly as you'd expect. Priscilla McKinney, host of Ponderings from the Perch and CEO of Little Bird Marketing, welcomes Joey Maddox and Henry Legard, Chief Strategy Officer and CEO respectively at Verisoul, for a conversation about where fraud prevention in market research keeps missing the mark. A LinkedIn video, equal parts nerdy and genuine, sparked the connection that led to this episode about structural problems most people in the industry would rather not acknowledge and what they are doing about it!. It can be said that market researchers today inherited a volume problem disguised as a quality solution:Sample providers get paid per respondent. Aggregators get paid per completed survey. Every middleman in the chain benefits from passing bodies through, not from stopping to verify who those bodies actually are. The result is predictable. Data quality tools chase yesterday's fraud techniques while bad actors stay three steps ahead, and businesses make million-dollar decisions on compromised customer insights. The real kicker? A worst-case scenario is aA three-week diligence survey can collapsinge entirely when someone finally checks if the data makes sense, leaving clients without answers at the exact moment they need them most. But not all respondents are fake, bad or trying to cheat the system. So, how do you let those into your ecosystem while keeping the bad actors out? "One of the crusades that we've had at Verisoul is how do you block as much fraud as possible with essentially zero false positives," Joey Maddox explains. "We need to block as much fraud as possible, but we can't just go willy-nilly blocking a bunch of people." So, it’s about striking the right balance. And they discuss new technology in this episode and how they are collaborating with other data quality experts already in the industry to make everything ship shape and better than it was yesterday! They discuss how respondent integrity matters more than response integrity now that AI makes faking expertise trivially easy. They get specific about why trap questions alone don't work anymore, how IP deduplication blocks hospital workers from taking legitimate surveys from the same network, and more. Their technology is built around one important question, “What if respondents could own their verified identity across the industry instead, choosing what to share and earning more for providing greater certainty?” It's the kind of idea that makes some people uncomfortable, which is exactly why this conversation matters. Music written and performed by Leighton Cordell Sponsors: Is your concept testing budget disappearing without driving better decisions? Most insights teams waste 30 to 40 percent of their research spend on preventable leaks. Socratic Technologies has created a free audit to help you identify what leak is costing you the most—and exactly how to fix it. Click here to download the audit today and start making concept testing that drives growth. Ever feel like your marketing plan is just... meh? You've got the pieces, but are they really working together? We often find that even when companies are doing the right things, they may not be doing them in the right order. The results are, well, no results. Curious how you can effectively evaluate your marketing efforts? Want clarity on your next best strategic move? Take our Marketing Assessment Quiz and in just minutes, discover exactly where you stand – and where you could be going. Click here and take the quiz today and don’t leave success to chance.
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      32 min
    • 4 Pillars of Customer Insights
      Jan 30 2026
      Most insights professionals are too busy completing studies to notice their reports end up in the trash. Dan Womack, president of KLC, joins Priscilla McKinney on Ponderings from the Perch to dismantle the "study mindset" that keeps research teams from driving real business outcomes. He brings over 20 years of corporate research experience from Fortune 500 firms, including GE Capital, Genworth Financial, and Aflac, plus a provocative take on why the industry needs to stop obsessing over executive access and start focusing on organizational action. Womack presents a four-pillar framework that redefines effective insights work. First, understand what customers know and believe, the baseline of primary research. Second, understand how they arrived at those beliefs, going beyond simple "why" questions. Third, translate those findings into business implications, which requires commercial literacy that most researchers never develop. Fourth, and most critical, ensure the organization actually acts on the market research insights. AI will likely automate the first three pillars within years, leaving the fourth as distinctly human territory and the future of the profession. "How do you ensure that the business actually does something? How do you ensure that they act on what you brought to them?" Womack explains. "If an insight falls to an empty room, nothing happens to it." The industry's decades-long fixation on "getting a seat at the table" misses the point entirely. Not everyone gets interviewed after the game, but that doesn't diminish their contribution to the win. Data-driven marketing decisions require commercial literacy, understanding P&Ls and business implications, more than proximity to executives. Gateway's willingness to scrap an expensive ad campaign in the mid 1990s after research revealed parents wanted complete computer packages demonstrates what true customer centricity looks like when combined with organizational courage to act on findings. Music written and performed by Leighton Cordell. Sponsors: Ever feel like your marketing plan is just... meh? You've got the pieces, but are they really working together? We often find that even when companies are doing the right things, they may not be doing them in the right order. The results are, well, no results. Curious how you can effectively evaluate your marketing efforts? Want clarity on your next best strategic move? Take our Marketing Assessment Quiz and in just minutes, discover exactly where you stand – and where you could be going. Click here and take the quiz today and don’t leave success to chance. Priscilla McKinney here! I am very excited to tell you about my book: Collaboration is the New Competition: Why the Future of Work Rewards A Cross Pollinating Hive Mind and How Not to Get Left Behind The book's chapters are designed to be time-efficient, ensuring busy professionals can easily integrate these transformative ideas into their workflow. From discussing the state of affairs in business to providing fundamental strategies and seven practical anchors for staying on course, this book offers a fresh perspective and a competitive advantage in today's complex business landscape. Visit priscillamckinney.com for more information.
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      27 min
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