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Our Long Walk

Our Long Walk

De : Johan Fourie and Jonathan Schoots
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A podcast series about South Africa’s past, present, and future. Economic historian Johan Fourie and historical sociologist Jonathan Schoots interview social science scholars investigating fascinating questions about our country and continent and distil those lessons into practical policy suggestions today.Johan Fourie and Jonathan Schoots
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    • Who is more capitalist than Elon? with strategy expert Christopher Eaglin
      Dec 10 2025

      Why do our strategy theories fail when confronted with the realities of one of Africa’s most essential informal businesses – minibus taxis? Can a drop in interest rates reduce speeding and crashes? How is the government free-riding on the work (and risk) of taxi entrepreneurs?

      In this episode of the Our Long Walk podcast, Johan Fourie and Jonathan Schoots speak with Christopher Eaglin, assistant professor in the strategy area at Duke University’s Fuqua School of Business. Before academia he worked with non-profits, large firms and, crucially, South Africa’s least understood industry: minibus taxis.

      Some of Chris’s mentioned work:

      The Need for Speed: The Impact of Capital Constraints on Strategic Misconduct

      This podcast is produced with the help of Voice Note Productions. Our producer is Vasti Calitz with editing done by Andri Burnett. Kelsey Lemon provided helpful research assistance.

      For more information about the episode and to subscribe to Johan’s newsletter, visit ourlongwalk.com.


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      49 min
    • What do Africa’s old currencies say about our modern world? with historian Karin Pallaver
      Nov 19 2025

      What advantages did cowrie shells and beads have over coins in Africa? Is mobile money a revolution, or just the latest chapter in Africa's long history of monetary innovation?

      In this episode, Johan Fourie and Jonathan Schoots speak to historian Karin Pallaver about the long history of money in Africa. Karin works at the intersection of economic history, anthropology and archaeology, tracing how shells, beads, metal and paper – and now pixels – have carried value and power across the continent.

      Karin Pallaver is Associate Professor of African History at the University of Bologna. She previously worked as a researcher in the Coins and Medals Department at the British Museum in London.

      This podcast is produced with the help of Voice Note Productions. Our producer is Vasti Calitz with editing done by Andri Burnett. Kelsey Lemon provided helpful research assistance. For more information about the episode and to subscribe to Johan’s newsletter, visit ourlongwalk.com.

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      50 min
    • What lives inside of 'don't know'? with demographer Jenny Trinitapoli
      Oct 29 2025

      What can we learn from uncertainty? How can using beans help with measuring uncertainty? And are we really living in unusually uncertain times?


      In this episode of the Our Long Walk podcast, my co-host Johan Fourie and Jonathan Schoots speak with Jenny Trinitapoli, Professor of Sociology at the University of Chicago. Since 2008 she has led Tsogolo la Thanzi (TLT), a landmark longitudinal study of young adults in Balaka, southern Malawi, following the same respondents for more than a decade as they navigate relationships, sex and childbearing amid a severe AIDS epidemic.


      Demographers love tidy bins; cross-national datasets demand them. Yet some domains are genuinely uncertain. Early in Jenny’s Malawi work, Likert-scale questions about HIV risk generated high rates of ‘don’t know’ and outright refusals. Rather than throw those away, the TLT team designed questions to measure uncertainty.


      Some of Jenny’s mentioned work:

      An Epidemic of Uncertainty

      The Flexibility of Fertility Preferences in a Context of Uncertainty

      This podcast is produced with the help of Voice Note Productions. Our producer is Vasti Calitz with editing done by Andri Burnett. Kelsey Lemon provided helpful research assistance.

      For more information about the episode and to subscribe to Johan’s newsletter, visit ourlongwalk.com.

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      52 min
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