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Welcome to the Society for the Teaching of Marriage and Family Therapy (STMFT) podcast hosted by Dr. Sofia Georgiadou. Dr. Sofia facilitates dialogues between seasoned Marriage and Family Therapy educators and PhD students. The experienced MFT Educator(s) respond to questions PhD students in CFT/MFT have about becoming effective CFT/MFT educators.

Our podcast is open to systemically trained educators of all ranks in the United States, Australia, Canada, Latin America, Africa, and Europe.

The podcast’s goal is to create informal, publicly available, mentorship opportunities and enhance PhD students’ knowledge of pedagogy, culturally responsive learning design, as well as effective teaching of CFT/MFT courses.


The Society for the Teaching of Marriage and Family Therapy was established in 2022.
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  • Ep 16: Queer-contextualized Family Therapy - A conversation with the editors

    Ep 16: Queer-contextualized Family Therapy - A conversation with the editors
    Apr 2 2026
    In today’s episode, we discuss the book Queer-Contextualized Family Therapy: Toward Radically Inclusive Theory and Practice, and I’m joined by the book’s editors, Dr. Erica Hartwell and Dr. Lindsay Edwards. Dr. Erica Hartwell is an Associate Professor of Marriage, Couple, and Family Therapy in the Lewis and Clark Graduate School of Education and Counseling. Her teaching, supervision, and scholarship is focused on creating community, compassion, and justice, with a focus on queer and trans mental health and well-being. In 2023, she received Fairfield University’s highest faculty honor, the Robert E. Wall award, in recognition of her forthcoming book, Queer-Contextualized Family Therapy: Toward Radical Theory and Practice. She served as the first chair of AAMFT’s Queer and Trans Advocacy Network and led the development of the Clinical Guidelines for LGBTQIA Affirming Marriage and Family Therapy. As an AAMFT Board Member, she worked on the Gender-Affirming Care Position Statement. Dr. Edwards is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and an AAMFT Approved Supervisor. She dedicated 11 years to academia, serving as faculty within several accredited couple and family therapy programs. During this time, she conducted research, published articles, and provided didactic instruction and clinical supervision to MFTs in training. Currently, Dr. Edwards serves as a manager for Colorado's Behavioral Health Administration, overseeing the Children and Youth Mental Health Treatment Act and other critical mental health initiatives. Beyond her administrative role, she specializes in LGBTQ+ inclusive family therapy and remains deeply committed to the field by providing private practice supervision and supervision mentorship. Dr. Lindsay Edwards can be contacted through her website: https://www.drlindsayedwards.com/ Questions we discussed in this episode: You frame queer-contextualizing as a beginning framework, not “the answer,” but a question for the field. Share with us what this framework looks like.What are some questions you want clinicians, supervisors, and educators to keep asking as they apply this framework to any model (including models that may not be covered in the book)?A key thread you wanted to highlight in this text is that it is not only about queerness, but about reenvisioning how our foundational models could be reimagined to tend to any marginalized identity/positioning.When a clinician is working in a country or cultural context with a different dominant discourse, what are some “dominant assumptions” you recommend they identify and unpack?The table of contents applies queer-contextualizing to multiple foundational approaches (Structural, Strategic, Satir, EFT, Bowen, Contextual, Gottman, SFBT, Collaborative). Please share with us an example of how a queer-contextualizing framework changes case conceptualization and intervention planning from a Bowenian approach?Please share with us an example of how a queer-contextualizing framework changes case conceptualization and intervention planning from a Satir approach? Your editorial process itself sounds aligned with the book’s values: It started with an open call, intensive 1:1 work with authors, and inviting contributors to “say the wild thing” outside typical academic constraints. What did you learn from editing this way, and how do you hope it influences how we write, teach, and evaluate scholarship in our training programs? Purchase the book here: https://www.routledge.com/Queer-Contextualized-Family-Therapy-Toward-Radically-Inclusive-Theory-and-Practice/Hartwell-Edwards/p/book/9781032311265
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    43 min
  • Ep 15: Teaching Systemic Therapy: Integrative Approaches for Family Therapists with Dr. Leonie White

    Ep 15: Teaching Systemic Therapy: Integrative Approaches for Family Therapists with Dr. Leonie White
    Dec 2 2025
    Dr Leonie White is a Clinical Family Therapist and Psychologist with almost 30 years’ experience. She works in private practice and as the Director of Phoenix Family Therapy Academy. Leonie has spent more than a decade in AAFT-accredited family therapy training programs and has taught, trained, and supervised across multiple university programs. She brings a practical, integrative, and attachment and neuroscience-informed systemic lens to support both emerging and experienced practitioners with teaching that reflects a deep commitment to adult learning and experiential approaches. Leonie offers a broad range of professional development initiatives across Australia and New Zealand, including foundational, advanced, trauma-informed, and systemic family therapy workshops. She also provides individual and group supervision, mentorship, and consultancy to mental health, education, and child protection professionals. Leonie has presented at national and international conferences, including keynote addresses. She has contributed to the field through academic publications, as Guest Editor for a special issue of the Australian and New Zealand Journal of Family Therapy (ANZJFT) on integrative practice, and she is currently working on a special issue of the ANZJFT on teaching family therapy in Australia. Find out more about Leonie and connect: www.drleoniewhite.com LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-leonie-white-9a915489/ Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/drleoniewhite Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/drleoniewhite YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@drleoniewhite4202 Find out more about Phoenix Family Therapy Academy here www.phoenixftacademy.com https://www.youtube.com/@PhoenixFamilyTherapyAcadem-s9y https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61566716197513 Questions we discussed in this episode: In your training courses and certificate programs, you center a multi-positioned, integrative stance in systemic practice. Could you walk us through your approach and what teaching methods you use to train clinicians in it?You offer industry-specific trauma-informed trainings, such as for maternity services, emergency departments and schools. What adjustments to language, pacing, and alliance building have proven most critical when translating systemic and trauma-informed principles into these specific contexts?You have developed practical tools such as the Helping Families Thrive cards and strength cards. What design principles guided these resources, and how do you integrate them within sessions to shift talk from problems to resources without bypassing risk or trauma cues? Other resources discussed by Dr. White: ANZJFT special issue on Integrative Practice - free to read https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/toc/14678438/2022/43/1 Glenn Larner's articles are available freely on ResearchGate https://www.researchgate.net/publication/247831055_Integrative_Family_Therapy_With_Childhood_Chronic_Illness_An_Ethics_of_Practice Roger Lowe's book on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/stores/Roger-D.-Lowe/author/B001KHDCMA?ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1&qid=1763684043&sr=1-1&isDramIntegrated=true&shoppingPortalEnabled=true&ccs_id=de2aa50e-09dc-4535-a59b-a131241ea959
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    44 min
  • Ep 14: The Facilitative Systemic Intervention Skills (FSIS) Measure: Research-informed Clinical Practice to Train Effective Therapists

    Ep 14: The Facilitative Systemic Intervention Skills (FSIS) Measure: Research-informed Clinical Practice to Train Effective Therapists
    Sep 30 2025

    Today on the podcast, we have Dr. Adam Jones from Texas Woman's University and his amazing Master's student, Madeline Schock.

    Questions about the FSIS Rating Scale that we discussed today:

    1. You helped develop the Facilitative Systemic Intervention Skills measure. Can you help us understand a little bit about why you developed the measure and what it is?
    2. How you measure these systemic therapy skills? Can we briefly list the skills and discuss them?
    3. The FSIS captures 8 distinct dimensions of systemic intervention skills. Can you walk us through how you identified these specific eight dimensions? How did you determine that effective family therapists were demonstrating these particular skills?
    4. Are the skills intended to be viewed as a sequence, like a step-by-step guide to responding?
    5. Your research suggests we can now measure and predict therapeutic effectiveness with specific behavioral indicators. How does this evidence-based approach challenge or support traditional MFT training methods? Are there traditions in our field - like live supervision or family-of-origin work - that you think we should reconsider?
    6. You are training students to rate therapist responses and use the FSIS measures. Madeline, what is this training like? What has been your experience in working on this research while you’re also developing as a therapist? Have you noticed the research informing what you do in the therapy room?
    7. How is your FSIS research changing how you teach family therapy techniques?
    8. Talk to me about your collaborations with other universities to implement their own FSIS projects and research studies. How would faculty begin using this?
    9. Looking ahead, how do you envision the FSIS and similar research tools transforming MFT education?

    Interested in learning more about FSIS and getting trained to use it?

    Check out this linktree for more information: https://linktr.ee/fsis8

    Dr. Adam Jones bio:

    Adam Jones, PhD LMFT-Associate is an assistant professor of Family Therapy at Texas Woman’s University. He enjoys working with students at TWU in research, teaching, and clinical training. His research looks at therapist skill development. He is a co-developer of the Facilitative Systemic Intervention Skills measure with Dr. Myrna Friedlander. He directs an awesome team of raters who rate therapist responses to challenging vignettes. He has a small private practice and provides therapy services at the TWU Stroke Center in Dallas Texas. He also likes to play the piano and the guitar, though he isn’t particularly good at either of them. He can be reached via email: ajones116@twu.edu

    Madeline Schock bio:

    Madeline is a master’s student at Texas Woman's University, pursuing a degree in marriage and family therapy. During her time at TWU, she has completed clinical hours at the local school district’s Family Center, worked as a research assistant for two professors, and served as vice president of the Student Association of Marriage and Family Therapy. Her primary therapeutic approach is narrative therapy. She is particularly interested in working with neurodivergent children and adolescents, as well as families experiencing or adjusting to divorce. Her work with the FSIS task has significantly shaped her clinical development, and she hopes to continue growing as a therapist as she prepares for licensure and begins seeing clients as an LMFT-Associate.

    She can be reached via email: mschock@twu.edu

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    45 min
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