In this episode of the Be The Church Podcast, Luke Bilberry is joined by Joel Wayne for a deeply biblical, unfiltered conversation about spiritual leadership, Scripture, and the kind of humility that actually forms the soul of a leader.

Rather than offering leadership hacks or formulas, this episode slows down and asks a more foundational question: What happens when leaders stop trusting their own wisdom and allow the Word of God to truly shape their identity, motivation, and obedience?

Together, Luke and Joel walk through key passages of Scripture that have shaped decades of ministry—from the humility of Christ in Philippians 2 to the warning against selfish ambition, from the cost of obedience in James 1 to the beauty of redemption in John 4. Along the way, they challenge pastors and spiritual leaders to examine their motives, resist cultural pressure to measure success by outcomes, and return to Scripture as the living, active authority for leadership and life.

This conversation is a call back to first things: deep discipleship, humility, leadership, and a life fully surrendered to Jesus. If you’re a pastor, ministry leader, or everyday believer longing to lead faithfully in a distracted, performance-driven culture, this episode will ground you in what truly matters.

What You’ll Learn

• Why Scripture—not personality, platform, or preference—must be the foundation of spiritual leadership
• How pride, self-reliance, and comparison quietly undermine a leader’s soul
• Why humility and servanthood are not optional but essential for Christlike leadership
• How Scripture memory and biblical narratives shape long-term faithfulness
• Why transformation happens through obedience, not information
• How shared leadership and biblical counsel protect leaders from burnout and isolation
• What it looks like to redefine success around faithfulness instead of visible results

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