In this episode, I’m sitting down with my friend and boss, Javier Leiva. He’s the creator of the hit podcast Pretend, where he spends his time interviewing con artists, cult leaders, and undercover feds. We talk about what happens when a "true story" is actually a total fantasy, how he cornered a famous con man in a Vegas hotel, and why he’s so deep in this world that he actually blurred his house off Google Street View.

The Top 4 Things We Talk About:

• The $800 Confrontation: How Javier tracked down the world’s most famous con man at a conference just to call out his lies with a giant microphone.
• Stage Fright to Stardom: The surprising reason Javier started the show—it actually came from being too scared to talk to his own team at work.
• "Street View" Paranoia: Why Javier is so deep in the world of con artists that he literally erased his home from Google Earth.
• Podcasts vs. Netflix: Why massive streamers like Hulu and Netflix are treating indie podcasts like a "testing ground" for their next big documentaries.

Resources 🔗

• Pretend Podcast on Instagram- https://www.instagram.com/pretendpod
• Pretend Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/cw/pretendradio/home
• Listen to Pretend: Spotify- https://open.spotify.com/show/2vaCjR7UvlN9aTIzW6kNCo?si=d1f5a09e011146e9 Apple- https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pretend/id1245307962

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