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This is Industry Relations, a podcast that is at the intersection of real estate and technology from an insider's perspective. Hosted weekly by Rob Hahn (The Notorious ROB) and Greg Robertson.Rob Hahn & Greg Robertson Direction Economie Management et direction
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  • MLS Mega Merger and Boomers vs. First Time Home Buyers
    Apr 22 2026

    The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player!

    Overview

    Rob and Greg discuss a major MLS merger in South Florida, creating one of the largest MLSs in the country and what it signals for future consolidation. They debate whether this is the start of a larger wave of "mega mergers," and what it could mean for markets like Texas and California. The conversation then shifts to a major housing trend: first-time homebuyers dropping to historic lows while boomers dominate the market. They explore whether affordability, interest rates, or generational shifts are driving the change—and what it could mean long-term for the housing industry.

    Key Takeaways
    • Major MLS merger in Florida:

      Miami and Beaches MLS combine into a ~93,000-member entity, now the third largest in the U.S.

    • Consolidation trend:

      This could be the beginning of more "mega mergers" as MLSs look to scale and reduce fragmentation.

    • Operational challenges ahead:

      System consolidation, leadership transition, and cultural differences will shape how successful the merger is.

    • First-time buyers at record low:

      Only 21% of buyers are first-time homeowners—the lowest ever recorded.

    • Boomers dominating purchases:

      Boomers now make up 42% of buyers, largely driven by downsizing and relocation.

    • Debate: Are boomers competing with first-time buyers?

      Rob argues they may be targeting similar homes; Greg يرى them as different segments with different priorities.

    • Affordability crisis remains core issue:

      High prices, interest rates, and low inventory continue to block entry for new buyers.

    • Bigger-picture concern:

      Long-term affordability challenges could reshape housing demand—and even influence future political and economic policy.

    Links

    South Florida Just Became a Superpower
    Baby Boomers Remain Largest Share of Home Buyers as First-Time Buying Falls to Record Low

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    58 min
  • IDX: The Original Sin?
    Apr 17 2026

    The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player!

    Overview

    Rob and Greg break down NAR's latest settlement move, Zillow's shift toward pre-marketing, and what it all means for the industry. The back half turns into a heated debate on new "public marketing" laws, the definition of marketing itself, and whether the MLS is a listing platform or a broker cooperative.

    ***CORRECTION: During the podcast we mistakenly commented that we had recieved an update about the recent NAR settlement 24hrs ahead of time. That is not accurate. We recieved the update the day of the news being announced. We apologize and regret the error.***

    Key Takeaways
    • NAR's new settlement strategy is more proactive—but may face legal pushback

    • Zillow's "Preview" signals a major shift toward pre-marketing

    • Portal competition remains intense across Zillow, Homes.com, and others

    • New state laws are vague and raise more questions than answers

    • "What is marketing?" is becoming a core industry debate

    • The MLS identity crisis: platform vs. cooperative

    • Pre-marketing continues to reshape listing strategy

    • Consumer expectations could determine where this all goes

    Connect with Rob and Greg

    Rob's Website

    Greg's Website

    Watch us on YouTube

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    Cotality

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    The Giant Steps Job Board

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    1 h et 9 min
  • Cooperation: It's Hard To Tell the Poison From the Cure
    Apr 8 2026

    The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player!

    Overview

    Rob and Greg discuss Northwest MLS countersuing Compass and the broader implications for private listings, cooperation, and MLS rules. The conversation centers on whether MLSs should enforce listing transparency, how "coming soon" and private exclusives are being used, and whether current policies are conflating professional cooperation with public marketing. They also explore potential futures for IDX, syndication, and the role of MLSs in regulating broker behavior.

    Key Takeaways
    • Lawsuit Focus – Northwest MLS is challenging Compass over private listing practices.

    • Core Tension – Cooperation (agent access) vs. public marketing are being conflated.

    • Private Listings – Debate over seller choice vs. market transparency.

    • MLS Role – Split on whether MLS should enforce behavior or just enable cooperation.

    • IDX Debate – Idea to remove IDX vs. risk of fragmenting listings.

    • Fiduciary Risk – Future lawsuits may hinge on agent advice to sellers.

    • Inconsistent Rules – "Coming soon" policies vary widely across MLSs.

    • Fairness Concern – Private networks could limit access to listings.

    Links

    Nick Alfencamp's Article - The Pre-Market Arms Race
    "Only the right ones..." - Compass agent's Instagram post
    NWMLS Isn't Just Playing Defense Anymore -Vendor Alley Post

    Connect with Rob and Greg

    Rob's Website

    Greg's Website

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    57 min
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