In this episode of the Backstage Pastors™️ Podcast, Phil Taylor and Tyler Drewitz welcome Nathan Young and Dave Hartman, co-authors of How to Be Second to discuss the identity, strengths, and challenges of second-chair leadership. The conversation explores why some leaders are uniquely wired for supporting roles, how executive pastors and operational leaders thrive, and why being second is not a stepping stone but a meaningful destination.

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CHAPTERS

01:31 Phil’s Upcoming Church Projects and Travel

03:31 Introducing How to Be Second

06:00 Why Nathan and Dave Wrote the Book

10:00 Discovering the Identity of Second-Chair Leaders

17:17 The Difference Between “2s” and “2ICs”

24:23 Who the Book Is Really For

29:48 Imposter Syndrome and “Knowing What 10 Is”

33:07 What They Would Add to the Book Today

39:39 Final Encouragement and Resources

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