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Dogs Beyond the Lab

Dogs Beyond the Lab

De : John Ramer Chelsey Marino Lori Cohen
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Dogs Beyond the Lab is a deeply human podcast about rescue, rehabilitation, trust, and the life-changing bond between people and dogs. While the series begins with former research dogs — many of them beagles who spent their early lives inside laboratory facilities — the heart of the show reaches far beyond animal research. This is a podcast about what happens when vulnerable dogs are given a second chance, and the people who choose to walk beside them through fear, uncertainty, healing, and transformation.

Across North America, thousands of dogs are still used in laboratory research. A small number eventually leave those facilities and enter a world they have never experienced before: grass beneath their feet, open skies, neighborhood walks, toys, couches, stairs, car rides, affection, and freedom. For many of these dogs, even the most ordinary parts of daily life can feel overwhelming and unfamiliar. Dogs Beyond the Lab explores those first moments of transition and the long emotional journey that follows.

Hosted through the voices and experiences of rescuers, behavior specialists, sanctuary leaders, adopters, veterinarians, and advocates, the podcast tells stories of resilience from both ends of the leash. Listeners will hear firsthand accounts of dogs learning how to trust, play, communicate, and simply exist outside the controlled environment of a lab. At the same time, the series reveals the emotional realities faced by the humans who welcome these dogs into their homes and hearts.

The podcast features the expertise and lived experience of leaders in the field, including John Ramer of Kindness Ranch, Lori Cohen of The Beagle Alliance, and Chelsey Marino of Command Canine, whose rehabilitation work has helped former research dogs adapt to life beyond the laboratory. Together, they provide insight into rescue efforts, advocacy work, behavioral rehabilitation, and the evolving conversation around animal testing and rehoming.

But this is not a podcast solely for people connected to former research dogs. Anyone who has loved a dog through illness, trauma, fear, aging, anxiety, or the everyday messiness of life together will find themselves in these stories. Dogs Beyond the Lab understands that living with dogs is rarely perfect. It is patient work. Emotional work. Relationship work. The show embraces the idea that being a good guardian is not about always having the right answers, but about continuing to show up with compassion, consistency, and care.

At its core, Dogs Beyond the Lab is about connection. It is about the quiet ways dogs change us, soften us, ground us, and teach us to notice more. It is a series about second chances, healing, advocacy, and hope — and about the realization that sometimes the dog we set out to save becomes the one who ultimately saves us.

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  • Cherisse & Odie: Through PTSD and Panic Attacks

    Cherisse & Odie: Through PTSD and Panic Attacks
    Oct 13 2026

    Cherisse Friesen Epp recounts how a planned short-term foster named Odie became a beloved member of her family. Odie arrived in Manitoba in September 2023 profoundly fearful, avoiding people and struggling to settle. Cherisse describes his early challenges, including serious conflicts with resident dog Daisy, and the added strain of supporting her partner, James, as he navigated PTSD after a traumatic vehicle accident. With patience, professional guidance, and veterinary support, Odie gradually made progress.

    Cherisse also credits scent-based enrichment with helping Odie emerge from his shell. The conversation explores how dogs and people with trauma can support one another, and how setbacks coexist with meaningful gains. Cherisse encourages prospective adopters and fosters to use rescue organizations’ resources instead of facing difficult behaviors alone. For her, the joy of watching Odie play, explore, and simply be a dog makes the ongoing work worthwhile and rewarding.

    The hosts of the show are:

    John Ramer is the Executive Director of Kindness Ranch

    Lori Cohen is the Founder and Executive Director of The Beagle Alliance

    Chelsey Marino is the founder of Keeper and Kin. The Leading Experts in Former Research Beagle Rehabilitation

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    54 min
  • In the Lion’s Den: Brandon Wilder on the Ethics of Animal Research

    In the Lion’s Den: Brandon Wilder on the Ethics of Animal Research
    Sep 29 2026

    John, Lori and Chelsey are joined by Brandon Wilder, to discuss animal research and the lives of the animals involved.

    We ask Brandon the difficult questions: When is animal research justified? Who decides whether an experiment is necessary? And how do we account for an animal’s well-being during research and long after it ends? Brandon shares what drives his work, where he believes research practices need to improve, and why he hopes emerging methods could help reduce the use of animals.

    We also talk about the realities of caring for animals after research, the bond Brandon shares with his rescued dog Toki, and what becomes possible when scientists and animal advocates are willing to listen to one another. Join us for a conversation grounded in compassion for both animals and people.

    Connect with Brandon on LinkedIn.

    The hosts of the show are:

    John Ramer is the Executive Director of Kindness Ranch

    Lori Cohen is the Founder and Executive Director of The Beagle Alliance

    Chelsey Marino is the founder of Keeper and Kin. The Leading Experts in Former Research Beagle Rehabilitation

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    1 h et 11 min
  • Joe Bailey's Lessons from Presley

    Joe Bailey's Lessons from Presley
    Sep 15 2026

    Joe Bailey didn't plan on becoming an advocate for former research dogs — he just wanted a beagle. On this episode of Dogs Beyond The Lab, hosts Chelsey Marino (Keeper and Kin), Lori Cohen (The Beagle Alliance), and John Ramer (Kindness Ranch Animal Sanctuary) hear how a two-week notice from the Beagle Freedom Project brought Presley, a six-and-a-half-year-old beagle straight off an Oklahoma breeding farm, into Joe's Los Angeles home. Joe taught him stairs, leashes and how to eat slowly, and learned his triggers — metal on metal, the need to back up against something to relieve himself. Presley was diagnosed with B-cell lymphoma in March 2024 and died that November, after twenty weeks of treatment at Penn Vet and Mount Laurel Animal Hospital. Joe calls him "the boy who brought me home."

    Then came Carol — possibly Presley's biological relative, and a year into freedom before adoption. Confident where Presley was timid, vocal where he was silent, she's what Joe calls his redemption arc.

    Did you know that there is an instagram page starring Presley?

    The hosts of the show are:

    John Ramer is the Executive Director of Kindness Ranch

    Lori Cohen is the Founder and Executive Director of The Beagle Alliance

    Chelsey Marino is the founder of Keeper and Kin. The Leading Experts in Former Research Beagle Rehabilitation


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    1 h et 21 min
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