In this episode, we unpack how facts don’t exist in a vacuum—they’re filtered through faith, culture, fear, and lived experience. Acknowledging what we don’t fully understand about the fears and realities of the BIPOC communities, we explore how those unseen experiences shape perspective—both theirs and ours. From algorithms that reinforce division to the loss of gathering across difference, we ask when belief gives facts meaning, when it replaces them, and why we’ve stopped sitting at tables with people who think differently.

Theme Music Composed by Bruce Martin

In their first episode, Tony Shaffer, a conservative Christian father and his gay son, Matthew Shaffer—an artist and educator—begin an honest dialogue about faith, belief, and the hypocrisy they’ve witnessed in media, politics, and leadership. Grounded in lived experience and creative practice, the conversation reflects on why hard conversations are essential to sustaining community—and why continuing the conversation matters more than walking away.

Theme Music Composed by Bruce Martin.