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 This is your training ground for courage. To survive and thrive in the gladiator sport of public service, you need all six pillars of empowered leadership — mental, emotional, physical, social, financial, and spiritual health. The Civic Courage Lab™ Podcast brings the world’s leading experts in human development together for the people doing society’s hardest work — public servants, civic innovators, changemakers, and bridge builders. Each conversation explores how to apply these insights directly to your role, helping you strengthen all six pillars of empowered leadership through real stories, practical tools, and wisdom from high-impact leaders who’ve turned their greatest challenges into personal growth and collective success. Success in the ultra-endurance sport of impact demands courage, curiosity, integrity, and love. Here, you’ll cultivate them all — in community. From the creators of The COURAGE METHOD™ — the framework that’s helped councils move from combat to collaboration, nonprofits from floundering to funded, policies from ideas to impact, and activists from unknown to unstoppable. Welcome to COURAGE.Civic Courage Lab @2026 Hygiène et vie saine Politique et gouvernement Psychologie Psychologie et psychiatrie Sciences politiques
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    • The Host, Revealed: Skippy’s Journey in His Own Words w/ Jesse Link

      The Host, Revealed: Skippy’s Journey in His Own Words w/ Jesse Link
      Jul 17 2025
      Welcome to the Healing Our Politics Podcast! Join Our Community and Receive Free Tools + How to Guides:Join “The Leader’s Handbook” newsletter https://leadershandbook.substack.com/about· Always free· Once per month email· Curated selection of tools, techniques, and practices discussed on this podcast· Delivered in simple to follow how-to-guides· To try and test in your life, and teach your teams.JOIN HERE https://leadershandbook.substack.com/about About the Episode: Today, in the final episode of our very first season, the tables turn. For nearly 30 episodes, I’ve asked the questions, held space for others to open up, and pulled at threads in hopes that you, the audience - leaders and colleges - could find resources and actionable strategies. Now I find myself on the other side of the mic, sitting face to face with my mirror, Jesse Link - (and by chance a literal mirror!) We get into my own journey — my upbringing, my family, the roads I’ve walked, the mistakes I’ve made, the systems I’ve built to stay standing, and the people and relationships that keep me whole. Guest Host:Jesse Link is a strategic partner to agencies and growing businesses, helping CEOs connect the dots between their numbers, their narratives, and themselves. He’s also the lead researcher at Healing Our Politics, and, proudly, a coaching client turned lifelong friend. From college athlete, to climbing the ladder at Goldman Sachs, and founding a venture-backed startup, Jesse decided to step off the corporate fast track, to follow the crooked path — the kind built through failure, creative discovery, and honest reinvention. Not the one laid out for him on Wall Street, but one that meant something. And while he’s exploring new creative frontiers — through writing, video, and documentary — he’s still learning to lead with not knowing. He’s asking the big questions — what drives us, what blocks us, and how we find our way back to passion. . Key Topics Discussed:· [00:02:40] Episode/Guest Host Intro· [00:09:03] Identifying as a Public Service · [00:12:43] What Would Grandma Think?· [00:18:17] Skippy Shows His Cards: Political Family History · [00:23:43] Partnership as Lead Domino, Partnerships is a Verb · [00:28:45] Selfishness in a Good Way · [00:29:50] Discipline and Practice · [00:32:55] What Worked for Weirdo (Skippy) · [00:34:20] Hitting the Decision Point · [00:36:20] Change of Environment · [00:37:43] From the Illusion of Confidence to Genuine Confidence · [00:40:07] It's More of a Spectrum of Growth than a “Before and After” · [00:49:30] Unrelenting Hope · [00:55:22] Ho to be an Unbogged Public Servant · [01:00:48] Skippy’s Happiness Parachute in Office (An Unsolved Bog) · [01:03:54] Time In Office and Campaigning for Conversation · [01:12:25] Leaders are the Wheel, not the Gas· [01:16:20] SPONSOR: Skyrun Vacation Rentals: Use Code HOP15· [01:17:15] SPONSOR: ELC (https://www.electedleaderscollective.com)· [01:19:35] Comparison in a Bubble of Privilege · [01:24:46] The Dichotomy of Shame and Desire of Wealth · [01:26:12] Available Resources for Public Servants and its Consequences · [01:31:37] Financial Responsibility as a Constraint for High Function · [01:31:37] A Digression into Spinny Flippy Zone · [01:35:25] Safety and Risk · [01:39:25] Fear is a Yellow Light · [01:43:34] Skippy’s Theory of Travel (and tips!) · [01:54:12] How to Stay Charged While at Work · [01:57:16] Rapid Fire Q&A’s: From Favorite Color to Biggest Fear · [02:04:34] Skippy’s Zone of Genius: The Wellbeing of Leaders · [02:13:45] HealingOurPolitics.com · [02:13:50] “The Leader’s Handbook” (https://www.healingourpolitics.com/#newsletter) Newsletter· [02:14:04] ELC (https://www.electedleaderscollective.com)· [02:14:04] Support ELC Key References and Resources Mentioned:· [00:28:40] David Allen HOP Episode· [01:10:44] Roland Griffiths· [01:26:30] Rick Doblin HOP Episode · [02:00:23] The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion, Jonathan Haidt· [02:13:50] “The Leader’s Handbook” (https://www.healingourpolitics.com/#newsletter) Newsletter· [02:18:18] SPONSOR: Skyrun Vacation Rentals: Use Code HOP15Where to Find Jesse Link:jesse@healingourpolitics.comWhere to Find Skippy Mesirow:Receive Support at the Elected Leaders Collective ElectedLeadersCollective.comFollow on Instagram www.instagam.com/skippymesirow@healingourpoliticsBook a free Clarity Call https://calendly.com/skippymesirow/elc-clarity-call to see if coaching is right for you Episode Sponsor:Skyrun Vacation Rentals: Use Code HOP15 Elected Leaders Collective ElectedLeadersCollective.com (ELC)Helping You Heal Our Politics
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      2 h et 22 min
    • Tribal Minds, Moral Lines, and Outrage!: The Psychology of Polarization w/ Dr. Kurt Gray

      Tribal Minds, Moral Lines, and Outrage!: The Psychology of Polarization w/ Dr. Kurt Gray
      Jul 3 2025
      Welcome to the Healing Our Politics Podcast! Join Our Community and Receive Free Tools + How to Guides:Join “The Leader’s Handbook” newsletter https://leadershandbook.substack.com/about· Always free· Once per month email· Curated selection of tools, techniques, and practices discussed on this podcast· Delivered in simple to follow how-to-guides· To try and test in your life, and teach your teams.JOIN HERE https://leadershandbook.substack.com/about Guest:Dr. Kurt Gray is an award-winning psychologist and one of the country’s leading experts on moral psychology and political polarization. With a PhD from Harvard university, Kurt is a professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, where he directs two groundbreaking institutions: the Deepest Beliefs Lab and the Center for the Science of Moral Understanding. Through these, he explores how our deepest convictions shape society, and how we can bridge divides, and he also serves as an adjunct professor at UNC’s Kenan-Flagler Business School, where he trains future leaders to lead ethically in polarized environments. This fall, Kurt will be the incoming Weary Foundation Endowed Chair in the Social Psychology of Polarization and Misinformation at Ohio State University. Dr. Gray’s work has been featured in The New York Times, The Economist, Wired, and NPR’s Hidden Brain, and he's spoken on multiple TEDx stages. He’s the recipient of numerous honors including the Janet Spence Award, the Theoretical Innovation Prize, and the Psi Chi Award for Undergraduate Teaching Excellence. His new book, Outraged!: Why We Fight About Morality and Politics and How to Find Common Ground, hit #1 in its category on Amazon — *And it’s a must-read!*About the Episode: In this conversation, Dr. Kurt Gray breaks down the psychological patterns that drive division in our politics—insights that are essential for anyone working in public service or elected leadership today. He explains why we instinctively cast others as either villains or victims, and how that oversimplification fuels polarization and undermines our ability to build coalitions or govern effectively. We explore how fear—far more than fact—shapes political behavior, and why traditional messaging strategies so often fail to persuade. Kurt unpacks the double-edged nature of moral outrage—how it can unite us around shared values or tear us apart when left unchecked. For those working to lead ethically in polarized environments, we discuss how to create the kind of spaces—whether in town halls, policy negotiations, or public messaging— where people actually feel safe enough to listen, reflect, and shift. From the power of storytelling to the importance of ditching the small talk, and braving deeper questions, Dr. Gray offers science-backed strategies that can help restore civility, rebuild public trust, and lead with integrity in times of uncertainty. Whether you're knocking doors, or sitting in a city council seat, this conversation will sharpen your leadership and deepen your impact.Key Topics Discussed: · [00:02:40] Guest/Episode Intro· [00:07:50] Other Minds · [00:09:00] “You never understand me!” · [00:10:20] Learning to Adapt Early in Life· [00:13:07] Skippy’s Experiences from Across the Globe!· [00:16:30] What’s the Protection Narrative Here? · [00:18:50] Fear is Driving Behavior · [00:21:02] The Apex Predator Myth· [00:24:40] We are Herd Animals · [00:26:58] The Trend of Presence · [00:28:28] Social Media is giving Above Clinical Threshold PTSD· [00:29:36] What is the right thing to do?: Norms and Morals · [00:33:48] Statistical Truths Become Irrelevant · [00:34:32] Rationality, Self Interest and the Breadth of Morality · [00:36:46] What Do We Lose In the Absence of Safety?· [00:39:15] Good Choices for Bad Intent· [00:39:48] What Makes Something/Someone Evil? · [00:42:00] Humanizing Hitler · [00:47:21] The Victim/Villan Narratives: Moral Type Casting· [00:50:35] SPONSOR: Skyrun Vacation Rentals: Use Code HOP15· [00:51:30] SPONSOR: ELC (https://www.electedleaderscollective.com)· [00:53:50] When is Outrage Bad?· [00:57:40] The Selfish Reason · [01:00:40] When Disagreement is Unsafe · [01:02:05] "E pluribus unum"· [01:03:50] The Power of Trying to Understand · [01:05:43] It’s a Hard Sell · [01:06:21] The Power of Stories· [01:08:15] Better Questions Yield Deeper Connections · [01:11:00] The Fast Friends Protocol · [01:13:11] A Herd Species in the Age of Social Anxiety and Fear · [01:16:15] Moral Creep · [01:23:07] Step 1: Recognize Shared Intentions/Validity· [01:23:57] Step 2: Share Your Stories· [01:25:35] Final Question: Keep Asking Questions to Understand · [01:29:50] “The Leader’s Handbook” (https://www.healingourpolitics.com/#newsletter) Newsletter· [01:30:55] Sponsor: Skyrun Vacation Rentals: Use Code HOP155· [01:31:50] Sponsor: ELC (https://...
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      1 h et 34 min
    • Solitary to Solidarity: Trauma, Brotherhood, and Transformation w/ Eldra Jackson III

      Solitary to Solidarity: Trauma, Brotherhood, and Transformation w/ Eldra Jackson III
      Jun 19 2025
      Welcome to the Healing Our Politics Podcast! Join Our Community and Receive Free Tools + How to Guides:Join “The Leader’s Handbook” newsletter https://leadershandbook.substack.com/about· Always free· Once per month email· Curated selection of tools, techniques, and practices discussed on this podcast· Delivered in simple to follow how-to-guides· To try and test in your life, and teach your teams.JOIN HERE https://leadershandbook.substack.com/about Guest:Eldra Jackson III is the Co-Executive Director of Inside Circle, a nonprofit dedicated to breaking the cycles of incarceration and violence through healing-centered inner work. But what makes his experience essential is that Eldra doesn’t just lead this work—he lived it.He spent 24 years in prison for robbery and attempted murder, including years in solitary confinement. It was in that extreme isolation that Eldra began the transformational work that would change his life—and now impacts countless others.Since his release, he’s become a national voice in trauma-informed care, restorative justice, and men’s emotional wellness. He’s a TEDx speaker, the subject of the award-winning documentary The Work, and has been featured by NBC News, Forbes, and the LA Times. He also hosts the Inside Circle podcast, where I was honored to join him earlier this year..About the Episode: Whether you're designing policy, leading a team, or simply seeking deeper understanding —this conversation will challenge you, move you, and equip you with new insight. In this raw and deeply personal conversation, Eldra takes us through his journey through trauma, transformation, and the hard truths behind incarceration in America. We begin by exploring Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACEs) and how untreated trauma in early life can lead to lives marked by crime, apathy, and pain. Eldra offers a rare, firsthand look at the psychology of gang culture, the pursuit of power, and the deep role that fear and survival play in shaping identity and behavior. We dive into big, systemic questions: Should prison be punitive, rehabilitative, or something else entirely? What do most political leaders misunderstand about human behavior and the roots of violence? And if Eldra had the power to wave a magic wand, what would he do to reduce crime and incarceration by 80% tomorrow?We discuss the structure and philosophy behind "circle work," the transformative group healing practice that Eldra now facilitates with incarcerated and formerly incarcerated men, the nature of toxic masculinity, the resistance many men feel toward emotional vulnerability, and what it actually takes to undo that conditioning. Perhaps most powerfully, Eldra shares the daily practices and mindsets that keep him grounded and in service to others. This episode is straightforward, surprising, and ultimately hopeful—a powerful reminder that real transformation is possible, not just for individuals, but for systems. Key Topics Discussed:· [00:02:40] Guest/Episode Introduction· [00:06:18] What love means to Eldra· [00:07:36] Learning to Feel despite Cultural Messaging, and Trauma· [00:12:22] Sharing for the first time · [00:14:42] Indoctrinated into Secrecy · [00:16:10] A Central Unnamed Fear · [00:18:53] Who was "Vegas”· [00:21:53] Fear motivating aggression· [00:24:13] What is Gang Culture? · [00:29:05] The danger in apathy· [00:30:40] Eldra’s Rock Bottom: Worse than Charles Manson· [00:33:45] The Mindset of Attempted Murder · [00:36:11] How did you get out of prison? · [00:39:37] What shifted in you to convince the Board? · [00:33:15] Taking Responsibility· [00:43:55] SPONSOR: Skyrun Vacation Rentals: Use Code HOP15· [00:44:50] SPONSOR: ELC (https://www.electedleaderscollective.com)· [00:47:45] The New Goal: Escaping Internal Prisons · [00:48:23] ACEs: Adverse Childhood Experiences· [00:51:15] What Keeps you out of prison? · [00:52:19] The Practice of “Who do I want to be today?”/”How did I show up today?” · [00:55:20] Keeping the Practice of Circle · [00:56:56] What is Circle? How does it work? · [01:04:30] Another Story from Circle · [01:08:08] Failures in Understanding and Systemic Apathy · [01:09:35] Emotional Literacy as the Key to fewer Incarcerations · [01:10:50] Evil is real and born from intention· [01:12:51] A Transformational plan (not Rehabilitation) · [01:15:55] Toxic Masculinity · [01:17:50] The Weaponization of the Concept · [01:18:11] Meeting Internal Resistance· [01:21:17] Know and Love Yourself as a Model to others· [01:23:40] Final Question: See Yourself in Other People· [01:24:43]] “The Leader’s Handbook” (https://www.healingourpolitics.com/#newsletter) Newsletter· [01:25:50] Sponsor: Skyrun Vacation Rentals: Use Code HOP155· [01:26:45] Sponsor: ELC (https://www.electedleaderscollective.com)Key References and Resources Mentioned:· [00:04:10] Eldra’s TED Talk· [00:04:34] Inside Circle Podcast · [...
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      1 h et 29 min
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