Is the traditional association model still fit for purpose in 2026? In this second episode, Jackson is joined by Thad Lurie, SVP of Digital and Technology at American Geophysical Union and recipient of the Association Trends Trailblazer Award, to explore what it really means to lead innovation inside an industry that has traditionally favored stability over speed.

Thad shares the communication-first philosophy behind some of the most ambitious AI pilots in the association space, why incremental experimentation beats "fail fast" in association culture, and what AGU's real-world experience with declining attendance reveals about the pressures facing scientific associations today.

And he closes with something every association leader should reflect on: "Associations worry too much about what was and not enough about what will be."

Topics covered:

• Why communication matters more than technology in driving successful innovation
• Running incremental, low-risk experiments in a consensus-driven culture
• The membership value proposition and whether the annual meeting model is sustainable
• Trust, identity and why peer-reviewed associations are positioned to win in the AI era
• Rethinking the pipeline content model in favor of a platform approach
• Personalization as a tool for member value, not engagement manipulation

Episode 1: Built to Connect | Debra BenAvram, CEO of AABB

What does it take to transform a global association from the inside out? In our inaugural episode, Jackson sits down with Debra BenAvram, CEO of AABB (Association for the Advancement of Blood and Biotherapies), to explore how she's redefining what it means to lead a $20M nonprofit in a rapidly evolving industry.

Debra shares the leadership philosophy behind dropping staff turnover from 45% to 6%, why she spent her first 90 days doing one-on-ones with all 60 employees, and how AABB successfully rebranded — during COVID — without losing its identity. She also opens up about the gut-wrenching decision to cancel their 6,000-person annual meeting with 48 hours' notice when Hurricane Ian struck, and what it taught her about revenue diversification and member connection.

The conversation closes with a provocation every association leader needs to hear: "Associations worry too much about making every single person happy and not enough about finding the best opportunities that deliver both business results and mission results."

Topics covered:

• Building culture as a new CEO with no institutional equity
• Launching AABB's first biotherapy certification (CABP)
• Navigating a legacy rebrand without alienating members
• Crisis planning and business continuity
• Rethinking the annual meeting as the sole connection point