In this episode, we dive into a completely overlooked surface and discuss a comment that was made recently as a person tried to understand what do surfaces have to do with EVS and cleaning and disinfection.

Justin McKay, Co-Founder of RadCare Services, shares the personal story that sparked his mission to change how healthcare systems approach cleaning, disinfection, and accountability. After experiencing a preventable infection from shared protective equipment, Justin uncovered a widespread gap: no clear ownership, inconsistent cleaning practices, and limited guidance from manufacturers.

What he found was alarming. From porous materials that harbor biofilm to “cleaning” processes that skip critical steps, many healthcare environments are unintentionally creating risk for both patients and staff.

Together, we explore:

• Why you cannot disinfect a contaminated surface
• Biofilm and the challenges associated with killing and removing it
• The gap between manufacturer instructions and real-world healthcare conditions
• The hidden dangers of “high-touch” assumptions and human behavior
• Why surfaces like lead aprons are ignored—but frequently touch patients

This episode is a call to action for healthcare leaders, infection prevention professionals, and anyone responsible for patient safety.

Because in healthcare, what you can’t see can absolutely impact outcomes.

In this episode, Linda Lybert sits down with Peter Gordon, Board of Education member, UV industry veteran, and volunteer with UV4Good, a nonprofit dedicated to education around photonic disinfection. Together, they unpack the complexities healthcare leaders face when choosing and using UV systems.

Peter breaks down:

• The different types of UV emitters (LED, mercury, xenon) and what they’re actually good for
• Why line‑of‑sight, room layout, and human behavior can make or break effectiveness
• How to evaluate sales claims, ask the right questions, and avoid costly missteps
• What the EPA, FDA, and UK regulators are — and aren’t — doing
• How hospitals can validate performance, build staff habits, and monitor long‑term effectiveness
• The “Goldilocks zone” of UV: balancing pathogen reduction with protecting hospital materials

Whether you’re an infection preventionist, environmental services leader, or just curious about the technology behind safer healthcare environments, this conversation delivers clarity, nuance, and practical guidance straight from someone who has lived it from both the technical and educational sides.

In this episode, public health leader and combat veteran Aaron Woodall joins Linda Lybert to explore the importance of collaboration across infection prevention, environmental services, and nursing teams. Together, they discuss how shared accountability, education, and proactive leadership can reduce healthcare-associated infections and strengthen safety culture in every facility.