Grief is universal, but we do not hear enough men speak about it with honesty. In this tender and deeply human episode, Ruth sits down with Herman Bulls to explore loss through a perspective that is often kept private, men’s grief, and the expectations placed on men to stay composed, stay busy, and stay strong even when their world has changed. Herman shares the love story he built with his wife, Iris, and the devastation of losing her to stage four pancreatic cancer after a sudden medical crisis. He reflects on the realities of caregiving, the shock of rapid decline, and the moments of clarity that reshaped his understanding of what it means to keep living. The conversation also moves into healing, including survivor’s guilt, the value of counseling, and the importance of a real support system, with Herman offering candid, practical encouragement for other men walking this road. The episode closes with a reminder that grief is not a moment, it is a process, and that love and memory can become a source of strength as you move forward, one day at a time.

About the Guest: Herman Bulls

Herman Bulls is Vice Chairman, Americas at JLL and the founder of JLL’s Public Institutions Division, where for more than three decades he has helped federal, state, and local governments, higher education institutions, and nonprofits develop real estate strategies that reduce costs and increase productivity. Prior to JLL, Herman served nearly 12 years on active duty in the U.S. Army, including assignments at the Pentagon and as an Assistant Professor of Economics and Finance at West Point, and later retired as a Colonel in the U.S. Army Reserves. He is also a distinguished board leader, serving as Chairman of Fluence Energy and Vice Chairman of USAA, along with board service across major public, private, and nonprofit organizations. Herman earned his undergraduate degree from the United States Military Academy at West Point and his MBA from Harvard Business School.

Widowhood is a reality many people face beyond 60, but it is rarely discussed with the honesty it deserves, and this episode goes there with care, clarity, and hope. In “Grief, Loss, and Living On,” Ruth and Fawn sit down with Teri Fontenot, former CEO of Woman’s Hospital and longtime board leader, who shares her deeply personal story of losing her husband after a rapid, devastating cancer diagnosis and the emotional whiplash that followed. Teri speaks candidly about how grief actually moves, not in neat stages but in waves, sometimes overlapping, sometimes pulling you backward, and she names the parts people often keep quiet, including anger, loss of control, faith being tested, and the exhaustion of managing pain and logistics while your heart is breaking. She also offers practical wisdom that listeners can use immediately: the power of a trusted inner circle, giving yourself permission to move at your own pace, avoiding major decisions until you are ready, and rebuilding a life through purpose, small goals, and experiences that bring joy back in. It is a grounded, compassionate conversation that will leave you feeling less alone and more confident that healing is possible, one step at a time.

About the guest;
Teri Fontenot is a nationally recognized healthcare executive and governance leader known for guiding organizations through complex, high-stakes environments with clarity and vision. Over a 27-year tenure as CFO, president, and CEO of Woman’s Hospital in Baton Rouge, she helped transform the system into a national leader in women’s health, earning honors including Modern Healthcare’s inaugural Top 25 Women in Healthcare and recognition as one of its 100 Most Influential People in Healthcare. Since leaving the CEO role in 2019, Teri has focused on board service as an independent director and SEC-qualified financial expert, currently serving on the boards of AMN Healthcare Services, Amerisafe, and Bitcoin Depot, and advising leaders on strategy, growth, and effective governance.

Caregiving can be one of the most loving roles we ever step into, and one of the most intense, especially in retirement when you are juggling your own health, finances, time, and relationships while showing up for someone else. In this episode of Beyond 60: Unscripted, Ruth Williams-Brinkley is joined by entrepreneur and caregiver advocate Alexandra Drane, co-founder of Archangels, for an honest, practical conversation about what caregivers actually need, not just what people assume they need. Together they talk about why so many caregivers do not even identify as caregivers, how easily isolation and burnout can creep in, and why “care for the caregiver” has to be part of the plan. Alex shares concrete tools like building a “red phone” person you can call without shame, using a caregiver intensity score to name what is driving your stress, and the powerful idea of “outer circling,” which explains why caregivers need their own support system to hold them up while they hold others. They also dig into the complicated realities of spousal caregiving, the loneliness that can happen even in a full life, and how grace, community, and small supports can change everything.

About the Guest:
Alexandra Drane is the co-founder and CEO of ARCHANGELS, a women-owned public benefit corporation working to better recognize and support the millions of unpaid caregivers across the United States. A serial entrepreneur, Alex has founded multiple mission-driven companies, including Eliza Corporation and Engage with Grace, and she is a nationally recognized voice on caregiving, community health, and public-private partnership. She serves on several influential boards and advisory councils, speaks widely on the future of health and caregiving, and has been recognized with honors including the Care100 list and Entrepreneur of the Year distinctions. Known for her energy and candor, Alex brings both strategic insight and real-world humanity to everything she does.

https://www.archangels.me/