Join Avi as he interviews Omer Bartov, the Dean's Professor of Holocaust and Genocide Studies at Brown University. Bartov is both an Israeli and a Zionist, and one of the leading academic voices arguing that Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza. They discuss whether Israel's conduct in Gaza is genocidal, strategies to prevent genocide, and what it means to be Zionist at a time when Israel is committing such unspeakable acts.

Some of Omer Bartov's Work:

Infamous NYT article making the case that Israel is committing genocide: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/15/opinion/israel-gaza-holocaust-genocide-palestinians.html

Pre-Order his new book on where Zionism went wrong: https://www.amazon.com/Israel-What-Wrong-Omer-Bartov/dp/0374618186/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=5hlOk&content-id=amzn1.sym.0fb2cce1-1ca4-439a-844b-8ad0b1fb77f7&pf_rd_p=0fb2cce1-1ca4-439a-844b-8ad0b1fb77f7&pf_rd_r=132-9869202-7528336&pd_rd_wg=CLJn0&pd_rd_r=bfbfd8ad-96ca-42e1-905b-56d50979acd6&ref_=aufs_ap_sc_dsk

Join Avi and guest Andrew Rovinsky as they discuss why there are no political alternatives to Hamas, the ideological and political origins of Likud, and the importance of maintaining hope.

Join Avi as he discusses what the Israeli government strategy is in Gaza. He discusses their intention to occupy all of Gaza, their turn away from real consideration of a ceasefire, and their manufactured starvation crisis. Taken together, these all imply Israel's motivations and strategy, which Avi uncovers.

Sources:

• https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/israel-news/2025-08-19/ty-article/.premium/hostage-families-warn-netanyahu-not-to-reject-limited-hostage-deal-accepted-by-hamas/00000198-c2cf-dc9d-abd9-dbdfe8da0000

• https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/israel-news/2025-08-07/ty-article/.premium/israels-cabinet-meets-to-weigh-gaza-takeover-as-thousands-protest-for-hostage-deal/00000198-85a0-d9db-a9be-87ab6b680000

• https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/israel-news/2025-08-10/ty-article/.premium/netanyahu-hoped-the-decision-to-occupy-gaza-would-buy-him-time-but-the-pressure-is-on/00000198-903f-d316-a5d8-b17fa10a0000

• https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/israel-news/2025-08-11/ty-article/.premium/al-jazeera-reporter-in-gaza-anas-al-sharif-killed-by-israeli-strike-idf-says/00000198-95e1-df6c-abbd-f5f52c0e0000

• https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/8/10/al-jazeera-journalist-anas-al-sharif-killed-in-israeli-attack-in-gaza-city

• https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/18/world/middleeast/hamas-israel-gaza-ceasefire.html

• https://www.dw.com/en/israels-smotrich-says-victory-means-gaza-fully-destroyed/live-72452267

• https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/opinion/editorial/2025-08-15/ty-article-opinion/smotrich-is-right-israels-new-settlement-plan-will-bury-a-palestinian-state/00000198-aa42-d825-a39a-fbca83e80000

• https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/8/18/israel-starving-gaza-hundreds-of-deaths-including-many-children

• https://www.aljazeera.com/video/fact-check/2025/8/20/israel-denies-gaza-famine-whats-the-evidence#flips-6377139427112:0

• https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition

• https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/24/us-israel-gaza-ceasefire

• https://www.rescue.org/country/south-sudan