Don’t wait for perfect... submit it bad.

In this episode of the Agency Rocket Show, Liz Hunt sits down with DayCloud designer Maren McDaniel to talk about her journey from illustrator and graphic designer into the world of website design. They unpack what it really looks like to learn a new skill inside an agency environment, from early fear and perfectionism to feedback, collaboration, and real growth through doing.

Maren shares how she went from avoiding web design altogether to confidently building sites, why minimalist design can be harder than maximalism, and how wireframes, typography, color restraint, and UX thinking reshaped the way she designs. Liz offers insight into mentorship, critique, and why submitting work before it feels “ready” is essential to becoming a better designer.

If you’re a creative who’s afraid to show unfinished work, struggling with perfectionism, or learning something new and uncomfortable, this episode is your reminder that growth doesn’t happen when things are perfect. It happens when you start.

In this episode of the Agency Rocket Show, Host Liz Hunt is flying without Chelsea (who is off doing casual things like HAVING A BABY) and is joined by DayCloud’s own marketing coordinator and resident wordsmith, Keaton Haines. Together they break down what copywriting actually is, how website copy differs from “regular” writing, and why your site shouldn’t read like an HR handbook. They walk through DayCloud’s full website copy process—from discovery and brand voice, to wireframes, UX-minded content strategy, and collaboration between design and copy—and talk honestly about common mistakes businesses make when they DIY their words. You’ll hear how empathy and embodiment drive good copy, how to think about SEO without turning your site into keyword soup, and why “integrity, honesty, professionalism” is not a brand personality. If you’ve ever wondered how agencies actually write websites (or what a ghostwriter does for a brand), this one’s for you.

Be honest: when you pull up your website… do you cringe a little?

In this episode, hosts Liz Hunt and Chelsea Poppens dive into the real signs it might be time for a website rebuild, from outdated design and clunky tech to slow load times, poor user experience, and branding that no longer fits who you are.

You’ll learn:

• The biggest red flags that scream “rebuild now”
• When a refresh is enough (and when it’s not)
• Why mobile, accessibility and site speed matter more than ever
• How bad UX quietly kills your leads
• When NOT to hire an agency (yes, really)

Plus… a pregnancy disclaimer, emotional support dogs, and a few unfiltered opinions on ugly websites. Enjoy!