Wayne Morrow, CEO of the John Birch Society, joins host Matt Waters for a deep dive into one of America's most misunderstood organizations. From being labeled "fringe conspiracy theorists" in the 1960s to being vindicated by history, the John Birch Society has spent nearly seven decades warning Americans about threats to constitutional governance.

In this conversation, Wayne reveals how psychological warfare has shaped American politics, why the organization was systematically silenced by both media and conservative establishment figures like William F. Buckley, and how their early warnings about global government, the Federal Reserve, and foreign entanglements have proven remarkably prescient.

We explore the organization's founding by Robert Welch, the controversial book "The Politician" about Eisenhower, their congressional scorecard system tracking every state legislator's constitutional fidelity, and why figures like Ron Paul, Steve Bannon, and Alex Jones now credit the Birchers as "the OGs" of the America First movement.

Wayne doesn't hold back on topics ranging from Pearl Harbor to the JFK assassination, from the Fabian Society's influence on world government to why education—not politics—is the key to restoring constitutional principles.

Key Discussion Points

00:00 - Introduction & Welcome

01:27 - Who Was John Birch? The Missionary Who Became a Namesake

05:07 - Robert Welch & The Birth of the John Birch Society (1958)

06:10 - "The Politician" & The Buckley Betrayal

09:25 - How the Conservative Movement Expelled the Birchers

10:24 - The California Report: Two Years of Investigation Found Nothing Wrong

11:57 - Censorship & Deplatforming Before the Internet Age

13:26 - Eisenhower, Eastern Europe & The Communist Sellout

16:36 - Constitutional First Principles & The Political Spectrum

17:27 - Stalin Installed Mao: The Untold Story

18:06 - The Freedom Index: Scoring Every Legislator's Constitutional Votes

19:42 - Why Americans Don't Know Civics Anymore

20:05 - Ron Paul, Thomas Massie & Constitutional Heroes

22:18 - Foreign Entanglements, Israel & The America First Position

23:07 - Get Us Out of the UN: The Original Mission

24:43 - Korean War & Vietnam: UN Command, Not American

27:00 - Chapter Meetings & Grassroots Constitutional Education

30:17 - The Fabians, George Orwell & The 1984 Connection

31:41 - Council on Foreign Relations & Shadow Government

33:56 - Oklahoma City, 9/11 & Pearl Harbor: Questions That Won't Go Away

37:18 - The Biggest Threat: Psychological Warfare

38:22 - Why We Can't Believe Our Government Killed JFK

39:29 - Europe Gets CNN & New York Times: Global Propaganda

41:11 - The Deep State Controls the Narrative

42:38 - The Assassination Attempt & Standing Firm

43:48 - Fear as a Tool of Control

45:55 - Desert Island Books: None Dare Call It Conspiracy, Creature from Jekyll Island, The Law

47:09 - The Constitution Isn't a Living Document

49:36 - Demons by Dostoevsky: He Saw Communism Coming

50:20 - Christian Nationalism & Moral Foundations

51:27 - How to Get Involved: JBS.org & Freedom Project Academy

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Most Americans think they understand European politics. They don’t.

What’s happening across Europe right now isn’t a copy of American conservatism—it’s something older, sharper, and in many places, more urgent. In this conversation, Matt Waters sits down with Ellen Fantini, senior editor of The European Conservative, to talk about sovereignty, culture, free speech, migration, and why ordinary Europeans are increasingly pushing back against centralized power in Brussels.

This is a wide-ranging, unscripted conversation about what’s breaking, what’s being rebuilt, and why the ideas moving through Europe matter far beyond its borders.

You’ll hear how conservative thought differs across countries. Why safety, family, and national identity are driving political realignment. And how bad ideas—and good ones—keep crossing the Atlantic.

This isn’t theory. It’s lived experience, from Vienna to Budapest to Washington.

Key Discussion Points

00:00 – Why Europe’s conservative movement doesn’t look like America’s

02:20 – The origin and mission of The European Conservative

05:25 – Why culture and beauty matter in political ideas

08:30 – Cross-pollination between U.S. and European politics

12:55 – Living under Brussels vs. Washington

18:40 – National sovereignty, populism, and democratic accountability

26:10 – Free speech, censorship, and Europe’s political red lines

30:55 – Migration, public safety, and the reality on the ground

37:40 – Why some European cities feel safer than American ones

43:00 – Education, ideology, and the long-term cultural battle

50:30 – Demographics, birth rates, and the future of Western civilization

55:45 – Why this moment feels like “now or never”

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What happens when you actually draw a line in the sand—and mean it?

Grover Norquist has spent decades doing just that. From building the Taxpayer Protection Pledge to shaping what he calls the “Leave Us Alone” coalition, this conversation digs into how ideas turn into durable movements, why incentives matter more than intentions, and what younger leaders misunderstand about power, taxes, and government growth.

This isn’t theory. It’s practical politics, organizational discipline, and hard-earned lessons about how coalitions survive—and why so many fail.

Key Discussion Points

• 00:00 – Why drawing clear lines matters in politics
• 02:00 – How Grover ended up building political organizations instead of companies
• 04:00 – The Taxpayer Protection Pledge and why “no weasel words” matters
• 07:00 – Where the tax movement actually is today
• 10:30 – Why “new ideas” often break working coalitions
• 13:00 – The “Leave Us Alone” coalition explained
• 18:00 – Why low-maintenance coalitions win
• 22:00 – How the left and right build power differently
• 27:00 – Government subsidies and unintended consequences
• 32:00 – Flat taxes, zero income tax states, and spending discipline
• 38:00 – Advice for young leaders entering politics
• 44:00 – Why conservatives hurt themselves more than their opponents
• 46:00 – Books, ideas, and the intellectual roots of the movement

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In this episode, Governor George Allen joins the show for a candid and energetic conversation about leadership, service, and what it means to truly fight for freedom and opportunity. From stories about growing up in a political household to the pressure of real decision-making, Governor Allen reflects on advice from his father, lessons learned in office, and the values that guided him through victories and setbacks.

He shares why he believes optimism is a responsibility, how to earn trust even when people disagree with you, and why the future still belongs to those who are willing to work, innovate, and take initiative.

Whether you’re interested in politics, leadership, or how to stay principled in public life, this episode offers perspective, personality, and plenty of memorable stories — straight from someone who’s been there.

⏱ Timestamps

00:00 — Welcome and episode intro

00:42 — Guest introduction: Governor George Allen

01:23 — Growing up around politics and influence

03:10 — Lessons from family, coaches, and early role models

05:06 — “Freedom and responsibility go together”

06:58 — Learning from victories and mistakes

09:14 — Decision-making under pressure

11:27 — Stories from the Governor’s office

14:02 — Earning trust even when people disagree

16:45 — Why optimism is a duty

18:51 — Innovation, energy, and American competitiveness

21:29 — Looking back: what he would do differently

23:14 — The importance of humility in leadership

25:47 — Home, family, and values that last

28:30 — A message to younger leaders

30:12 — Final reflections and close

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Against The Current spotlights dynamic thought leaders who are challenging the mainstream government and media narratives with compelling personal and professional responses and calls to action. When convention lurches one way, they disrupt the status quo with more thorough research, grassroots activism, and bold solutions.

This podcast provides advocates and cultural voices with a platform to share their perspectives in an authentic and unscripted way. Its purpose is to move beyond traditional media soundbites by delivering in-depth conversations that inspire action, generosity, and deeper engagement with today’s most important issues