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Utopia for Realists

Lu par : Peter Noble
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We live in a time of unprecedented upheaval, when technology and so-called progress have made us richer but more uncertain than ever before. We have questions about the future, society, work, happiness, family and money, and yet no political party of the right or left is providing us with answers. So, too, does the time seem to be coming to an end when we looked to economists to help us define the qualities necessary to create a successful society.

We need a new movement. One defined by a young historian who can tell us the truth about how we got here. They'd be a political outsider, the voice of their generation, one who doesn't harness rage or agitate grievances but who provides us with the answers for which we've been looking. That person is Rutger Bregman, and his vision is Utopia for Realists.

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  • Eva
  • 23/10/2017

Very interesting ideas

This book discusses some very interesting ideas to change society (basic income, 15 hour workweek, and free movement of humans across borders) with research to support them.

Some chapters are a bit repetitive and he doesn't offer precise solutions for here and now but it definitely gives you food for thought and is worth a read!

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  • Kiron Ravindran
  • 24/05/2019

such a thought provoking book

this book has made me rethink so many received wisdom. The best part is that it's not a manifesto but a collection of expert opinions and academic research. highly recommended

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  • Amazon Customer
  • 26/03/2019

Overall great

Great content, but narrator breathing abit annoying but the content is worthwhile. Really enjoyed it.

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  • Amazon Customer
  • 18/07/2017

Inspiring

Inspiring message, well written and read. I never knew that there was so much empirical evidence for the effectiveness of direct cash transfers and basic income. The Richard Nixon episode was especially captivating.

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  • Kevin Schmidt
  • 16/10/2018

So what's the solution?

Like most left leaning thinkers Bregman elaborates on a lot of topics solely from a political and not an economic perspective. Although I found the central idea of the book, regarding the implementation of basic income very inspiring, a lot of his ideas border on marxist or communist theorems. Like the idea that a large amount of white collar work serves no purpose in society. In that sense I think he overshot the target in a number of ways.

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  • Andy Ldubli
  • 01/05/2019

Too hyped, onesided and absolute

I do agree that we need universal income and a decrease of the gap between rich and poor, but to just let the robots take over and reduced work hours is not the solution. Max Tegmark in Life 3.0 and others have highlighted that one is defined by its work as well as that humans like to work as it gives us purpose. Just because of this I am not sure if we want a 15h work week and have the robots take over. But for me the problems is not with digitalization, but with the hunger of the few for power and wealth. The goal cant be an absolute, but a compromise. I rate this book low because aspecially in the middle it is heavily loaded with one dogma and therefore becomes subjective and never tries to take the other side.

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  • M. Sell
  • 06/06/2019

Hochinteressant, gut geschrieben und gelesen.

Dieses Buch ist ein ganz wichtiges und ich würde mir wünschen, dass es von vielen Menschen gelesen oder als Hörbuch gehört wird. Der Autor stellt viele gute Fragen und gibt kluge Denkanstöße zur Transformation aktueller gesellschaftlicher Verhältnisse.

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  • Amazon Kunde
  • 30/05/2019

Amazing! Ideas for real change based on facts

This is a very well written presentation of political ideas for change, that are based on scientific research. It's amazing how the author shows, in a simple way, how so many things have been tried and tested and are really effective, but still are not implemented. Those ideas are not only possible, but some might be closer than we think I'd we fight for them. It should be read and spread by all!

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  • Henrik
  • 24/10/2018

Utopia for sentimentalists

His Utopia is basically a world with basic income and open borders. He tries to make the case for both. I close the book, though, unconvinced.
As utopian thinking in all its different leftist, religious or rightist guises has had devastating effects through history, one should always be on guard when people want to sell you a utopia - even if it's stated to be for realists. (In the final chapter of the book, he does admit to proposing things that are unrealistic as a strategy to drive real change. When you come with extreme proposals, you expand the spectrum for solutions, and what once was an extreme position can become middle ground. He lambasts the left for not using this strategy, but being way to conformist on reigning doxa about how a modern economy might work)
At the end of the book he evens mentions Festinger and cognitive dissonance reduction and for a moment I thought, he really would discuss some of his claims in light of research that might really go against his own political project. He didn't. It became another classic example of what I call: Refutation through mentioning.
Here are some of my notes, that I took, whilst listening to this audiobook. Some of them might not be completely fair, as I was mostly annoyed listening to his reasoning.
1. He is a hater of typical, ordinary middle class and popular culture.
2. Basic income seems to be a panacea for all the evils of the world
3. Interesting story about basic income-initiatives in the sixties in the US. Also about Nixon's work in that direction. (I wonder what role the Cold War/Communism played for advancing such ideas at that time?)
4. He sees no incentive problems in connection with basic income, and never speaks about fairness.
5. There is no problem or discussion of possibly increased divorce rates or broken families as a result of basic income.
6. The welfare state is evil in its hunt on poor people.
7. He basically states, that it is poverty that makes makes people fat and stupid. That is the causal link.
8. Just give them money and they will be smart and slender seems to be the implication.
9. But - then it's not just poverty that is the problem. Then it's is inequality, that seem to have the same pernicious effects as poverty.
10. GDP is an evil economic construct.
11. Banks are not needed. They destroy wealth. (He has an example of Ireland that did without banks for half a year - a fascinating story, but I thought he was just describing a new nascent banking system, and had it continued for longer, some of the Irish pubs would have been transformed to fully fledged banks with time)
12. He hates profit makers
13. Open borders are great.
14 Admits to admiring economists like Hayek and Friedman. Why, one wonders - well because he mirrors his own project in theirs - they were also ridiculed and at the margins of economical thinking, but in the moment of crisis (stagflation and oil crisis of the seventies) - their economic, monetary ideas moved to the center. So he also hopes and believes that his ideas about open borders and basic income will move to the center in connection with a crisis.
Maybe he is right - there are several voices talking about basic income as something that should be explored and tested as ever expanding automation is looming on the horizon. Yet - I believe, there are problems about incentive structures, free riding, social cohesion and trust. The same goes for open borders - there might be economical benefits from open borders, but again questions of social trust and cohesion, alienation (ideological, religiously and language), loss of social capital - just doesn't seem to take up much place in his equation (he does mention Putnam, but again mentioning is refuting, he might also have pointed to some study refuting Putnam)

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  • Kwas
  • 11/10/2018

Undebdingt weiterempfehlen!

Das Buchbist durchgehend trefend in seinen Aussagen. Es sollte eine Standardlektüre werden. Super finde ich die Zitate und Quellen, womit der Autor beweist, dass aus einer Utopie auch Realität werden kann. Was wollen wir fur unsere Kinder erreichen? Bitte erzählt anderen von diesem Buch! Der Vorleser ist gut. Leider nur auf Englisch zu finden.

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  • Amazon Kunde
  • 10/07/2018

very very interesting

definitely worth listening to. if you have never really delved into the concept of a basic universal income then this a good place to start

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  • BjBerry
  • 21/04/2018

Tolles Buch, miese Sound Qualität

Tolles Buch mit einem sehr interessanten Thema!
Leider ist die Qualität der Aufnahme wirklich mies, das bin ich so nicht gewohnt.

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  • "schaffi_giga"
  • 13/03/2018

Going to the heart with roots in history/ science

Pull your notebook and pencil - this book wants you to note the ideas. A book for left minded people that want to be more progressive and conservatives that need to understand the debates of the future. Real brain food.

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  • Marc Reznicek
  • 06/01/2018

Utopia is necessary

the author is right with many claims, especially with our need for.an utopia as realists. thanks

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