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    As the traitors tighten their grip on Terra, Rogal Dorn must marshal the Imperial hosts to weather the storm. But not all of the defenders will survive the onslaught....

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    Dan Abnett returns to the Horus Heresy! Experience one of the crucial stages of the Siege, as Rogal Dorn and Horus match wits in a game of Regicide where the board is the Throneworld itself, and one wrong move could lead to utter devastation....

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    The Traitor Host of Horus Lupercal tightens its iron grip on the Palace of Terra, and one by one the walls and bastions begin to crumple and collapse. Rogal Dorn, Praetorian of Terra, redoubles his efforts to keep the relentless enemy at bay, but his forces are vastly outnumbered and hopelessly outgunned. Dorn simply cannot defend everything. Any chance of survival now requires sacrifice, but what battles dare he lose so that others can be won? Is there one tactical stroke, one crucial combat, that could turn the tide forever and win the war outright? 

    ©2020 Games Workshop Limited (P)2020 Games Workshop Limited

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    • Anonymous User
    • 14/07/2020

    Saturnine AKA The Weakest Entry Thus Far

    TL;DR: Poor dialogue, incongruent characterization, and overly high-minded writing make Saturnine the weakest entry in the series. Unfortunately some big reveals might make this neccesary reading.

    As the series is written by multiple authors, inevitably there will be variance in the character portrayal and dialogue. However the prior entries in the series have done a commendable job in ensuring the characters feel similar in both action and manner of speech. Saturnine is a major departure from this trend and really detracts from immersion. This is the only novel in the series I actually had to ask myself if I should see if I could return it.


    To begin, I'm no prude to be put off by coarse language, but part of what breathes life into the setting is the way the characters speak. The relatively little cursing makes the setting feel as if it's in a time long past while in truth being in the far future. When I hear Horus Aximand say "I love teasing the s#!% out of you.", it takes me out of the setting, not to mention just being weak dialogue and out of character. It feels too much like something I'd hear in our own time, not from the mouth of a 200 year old Astartes officer. It's a pervasive issue throughout the novel and it makes me wonder if the author bothered reading any of the previous entries to grasp the feel that had been previously established. Previous novels attempted to establish Abbadon as beginning to develop into the future warmaster of chaos, but it seems completely absent in this novel. Abbadon seems nearly an entirely different character. None of the proud disdain for the traitor primarchs, none of the decisive nature. He becomes a joke by the end, and while this may be enjoyable for those in the failbaddon camp, I prefer the more recent portrayals of Abbadon that Gamesworkshop has been going for. He's the future warmaster of chaos, he should be a strong, threatening figure. Certainly not throwing temper tantrums.

    I could go on and on about instances of bad dialogue and out of character moments such as these. However I hope this at least gives you a vague picture of what you'll find in this book. If I loved 40k any less than I do, I'd have skipped the book. That said, there are some decent big reveals that I'd say make it neccesary to soldier through reading this novel. Hope the next one is a return to form. Should honestly just give the series to Guy Hayley lol.

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    • Anonymous User
    • 01/08/2020

    Please Dan, Read The Established Lore

    This book disacknowledges and breaks several pieces of established lore set by authors such as Aaron Dembski-Bowden. Seemingly retconning events that occurred in stories such as The First Heretic and the Black Legion series. The life of Falkus Kibre leader of the Justaerin, and the scattering of the primarchs Mr. Abnett has suddenly tampered with. In Pt:3 Ch:5 he even says Kharn is 1st captain, Kharn was NEVER First Captain he is 8TH CAPTAIN. 8TH CAPTAIN KHARN FOR F**** SAKE.. Almost every fight that is to happen will suddenly jump to some unrelated scene, after about 6th time this starts to feel DRAINING. In addition to its incongruity this book has been sprinkled with modern day politics and terms which is unfortunate to see in a Warhammer novel. Abaddons characterization has simply fallen flat on it's face. Some of the strongest warriors in the entire galaxy (Death Guard and World Eaters), are reduced to mindless incompetent savages and simple disease carriers without martial prowess. They are treated as chaff and cut down as simply as basic mortals. Fulgrim is VERY underpowered and the fight with Dorn was lackluster.. Another disappointing entry to the Siege. Get your damn lore straight Mr. Abnett.. I will be reading Betrayer again to cleanse my palate.

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    • Frank
    • 13/07/2020

    Very much disliked

    I've read/listened to a lot of Abnetts books and liked them but this one is not one of them at all.

    Got about 5 hours in before giving up. Some sections are well done (Dorn, Sanguinius, Perturabo), but others just made me cringe (The sister of silence seemed to exist only to think about how strong certain characters are or fuel a side story that got on my nerves quickly.) Dissappointing since how much I liked the Sisters in the War on the Webway books and the 40k book Watchers of the Throne.

    Also, the word "shit" is used A LOT in this piece when I've only ever heard it used in many other books maybe once. it's super glaring when characters who have never said it in past novels talk about the shit hitting the fan and such.

    Disappointing entry in the Siege of Terra series and disappointing entry in Abnett's bibliography.

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    • Linda
    • 20/07/2020

    Fantastic performances but bad history!

    Falcus Kibre didn't die on Terra. He initiated finding Abaddon and the Vengeful Spirit 10,000 years AFTER the siege, (now this has become a conflicting lore. Thanks , Dan ) and the 3rd with Telemachon Lyras did not take part in the siege; instead they raided the planet for slaves and supplies. (Black Legion book). I just wish the errors were not there, otherwise, I liked the book. Dan Abnet has been writing Warhammer lore for years and this has egregious mistakes.

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    • Matthew
    • 15/07/2020

    One plot problem

    Loved it, my only problem is with a glaring plot issue...

    Falkus Kybre didn't die in the Siege (Talon of Horus)

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    • RickyP
    • 30/07/2020

    Ok but showing some flaws.

    This one has some issues. It came down to three things. The first is it felt like the author was borderline inserting modern politics into it. With alot of weird talk about truth not being important and some real red flag words like "gender fluid." The second issue is that having a second narrator was very jarring and really shattered both the pace and story. Honestly I'm not sure why the choice was really made at all. I guess it was to show that the Sister of Silence was special. But it's a poor way to convey that. The third was the use of very modern terminology and curse words. Those thing can be ok, but in the series so far those things have been absent. This also makes it pretty jarring. So I guess it's an ok story, but the aide issues really get in the way.

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    • anusan
    • 29/07/2020

    woow!!

    Amazing! so far the best.
    really good read. cant say more due to spoilers!
    worth every penny

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    • Anonymous User
    • 16/07/2020

    just wow, one of the best 40k books

    incredibly good. emperor back story, primarch actions, scattering of primarch. must read book. cant waith for the next one

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    • Anonymous User
    • 13/07/2020

    Finally!

    No spoilers here for anyone reading but Abnett you clever bastage thank you for this book!

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    • George Kilgore
    • 15/09/2020

    Pure Loyalist Fan Service *SPOILER WARNING*

    It's hard to feel desperate when the loyalists win on every page. Dan Abnett simultaneously kills off a plethora of some of the most compelling and interesting Traitor characters with little more than a page while protecting all the Loyalist characters with layers of plot armor. Meanwhile Rogal Dorn supplants Roboute Guilliman as the biggest Mary Sue of the Horus Heresy timeline. How is this supposed to feel like the epic struggle for Terra when every major engagement is won by the Loyalists?

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    1. Entire book about the HORUS HERESY and not one appearance from HORUS.

    2. The Mournival and the 1st Company are killed off entirely while the Imperial Fists etc. suffer minimal casualties..... that was the big climax btw. So you're just going to kill off the most elite and competent core of officers and warriors the Traitors have with a handful of loyalists because Rogal Dorn? You would think the greatest strategists the SONS OF HORUS have to offer would have planned for such a contingency?

    3. It was a set up the entire time! Perturabo knew that the battle would be a trap and he would throw some of his most useful assets into a meat grinder for no gain. Because Perturabo the Siegemaster himself would make such a stupid move.

    4. Traitor Primarchs are portrayed as little more than incompetent squabbling warlords. Say what you want about Fulgrim but from the beginning of the Horus Heresy he is touted as one of the best duelists and strategists of all his brothers. Just good enough to get his butt kicked by Rogal Dorn and be suckered into his whole legion defeated by a tenth of their number in Imperial Fists.

    5. Dan Abnett uses the "saved just in the nick of time" trope TWICE in one fight. Get out of here. If you want a fight to be compelling someone of import needs to die or else its just a slapping contest. Thanks for making me read a fight that had no real ultimate consequence.

    In Summary: If you love loyalists you will love this book because it caters to your side heavily. Dan Abnett if you by some chance read this stop resting on your laurels and take some chances in your writing.

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    • Jonathan Krapf
    • 21/07/2020

    Generally ok

    First of all, Dan Abnett knows his trade, the characters are interesting and the story keeps you invested. The pacing is a bit slow at first but it really picks up speed during the first part.

    Some personal remarks of criticism: There is unusually much (needless) swearing in the novel and though I guess you can call it a pop culture reference at this point, did the remembrancer really have to literally say "gender is fluid" when talking religion with a foul-mouthed soldier? The explanation of the rise of the Imperial cult out of the heresy war is ok, and the novel goes into quite some detail at one time exploring religious symbolism and referencing a lot of religions that haven't been around for a very long time. I guess it's a political choice to avoid conflict, but given the general development of the world in the past few millennia, I think it would make more sense referencing Jesus Christ, Buddha or Allah as commonly known religious focal points instead of... Mithras.

    And last but definitely not least: did there really need to be a Deus ex machina new perpetual? The ones we already have are quite useless thus far, and the back story of this new one is just weird and feels totally out of place, to me at least.

    Otherwise, as always, a good read. Enjoy!

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    • joshua bosch
    • 16/12/2020

    Dan Abnett delivers a Masterwork.

    Dan Abnett created a Masterpiece and one of the best Warhammer Books, i have ever had the pleasure of listening to.

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    • Dolthar Sodjath
    • 30/07/2020

    One if the best

    This book was pure gold!
    It gave great insight of some of the Primarchs... and holy throne those fights!

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    • Utilisateur anonyme
    • 02/11/2020

    Love it

    I'm loving the siege of Terra series. Shining a light on many different legions, custodians, sisters of silence and normal guardsmen. Really great books.

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    • olli
    • 23/08/2020

    One of if not the best warhammer book

    Setting top , characters and lore on mass without loosing itself to fan boy pleasing , narrator is the best out there anyway . This book is just brilliant

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    • Utilisateur anonyme
    • 18/08/2020

    My new favourite book of the seriies

    the story is being told expertly, great pacing and with interesting characters who interact with each other well.

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    • Gal Vorbak
    • 06/08/2020

    Starts slow but gets better by the hour.

    Despite the slow start, it's a great listen. And what seems a bit bland at first turns into an intriguing story. Couldn't stop listening and finished it in 2 days.