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Kill All Normies

Online Culture Wars from 4Chan and Tumblr to Trump and the Alt-Right
Lu par : Mary Sarah
Durée : 4 h et 5 min
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Recent years have seen a revival of the heated culture wars of the 1990s, but this time its battleground is the Internet. On one side the alt-right ranges from the once obscure neo-reactionary and white separatist movements, to geeky subcultures like 4chan, to more mainstream manifestations such as the Trump-supporting gay libertarian Milo Yiannopolous.

On the other side, a culture of struggle sessions and virtue signaling lurks behind a therapeutic language of trigger warnings and safe spaces. The feminist side of the online culture wars has its equally geeky subcultures right through to its mainstream expression.

Kill All Normies explores some of the cultural genealogies and past parallels of these styles and subcultures, drawing from transgressive styles of 60s libertinism and conservative movements, to make the case for a rejection of the perpetual cultural turn.

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  • Mercury Starlight
  • 15/05/2018

Nuanced and Even-handed, But Still Lacking

A well written and surprisingly deep summary of the culture wars' evolution over the last 20 years. Still, I can't help but feel like the author misses the point at times. The look into the Right's even harder right-turn was interesting and, from an outsider's perspective, very accurate. But the inaccuracies and distorted presentations of some (certainly not all) of the Left's counter culture participants makes me question how well she represents the Right as well. Like others, I was startled to hear the author seemingly gloss over the existence of TERFs, which have been active in feminism since the Second Wave and are not by any means a myth or minor issue. Germaine Greer, mentioned by name and a pioneer of the Second Wave, is a notorious anti-trans bigot whose hateful language is readily accessible to anyone with a computer, and the author's dismissal of her criticizers as somehow reactionary or frivolous is baffling, not to mention the implication that the liberal community criticizes her for views she held 20 or 30 years ago - Greer's most recent (honestly, really vile) comments against the idea of trans women being women were made in 2018! Yet the book suggests that to label her a Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist is to hurl invective or insults without merit. To be entirely honest, it makes me wonder what the author's own views on transgenderism are, and whether they color her perspective on the validity of the Left's position. The book raises several issues vital to the survival of the Left as a political ideology, which I do not dispute. Fascism is indeed in the rise among both the Left and Right, and it's important to the future of humanity as a whole to fight fascism wherever it spreads. However, the book also draws a common false equivalency, suggesting that neo-nazis and anti-fascists (people who are invested in preventing neo-nazism from spreading) are somehow two sides of the same coin. Also, to my point above, I would argue TERFs and other exclusionary/separatist leftists are the main problem we on the Left should be fighting, not college students refusing to listen to Milo Yannopolis. Censorship is an important issue, but so is contributing to a culture where Trans women are murdered with such regularity that there is an annual day set aside to remember them. All in all, I think this was a valuable read, but one to be considered with a very critical eye.

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  • 23/04/2018

Some false equivalences, but otherwise great analysis

It comes off as trying to say the sensitive tumblr crowd is somehow the left’s alt-right, but it’s hard to compare people who just get butthurt easy to those who lionize a mass shooter and are openly Nazi in a lot of cases. Also it seems like the author doesn’t think TERFs are a thing, but it only takes about 10 minutes on twitter to see that they are and they’re active. Lastly, anarchists aren’t progressives. They’re in their own category. Berkeley riots had nothing to do with progressivism. Progressives are too scared to actually meet anyone in the streets lol

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  • Sally
  • 19/11/2017

Best book I’ve read this year!!!

A fantastic but harrowing overview of the shitty ways the online cultures that are basically the reason I don’t go on social media any more have shaped the divide we have today.

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  • Pissantra
  • 17/01/2018

Glad I'm not under 35

When it was over, I realized I was getting the urge to run a warm bath and slit my wrists -- then I remembered I was an old woman and, for the first time, was thankful for that.

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  • 31/12/2017

distribution, eye-opening

This book illuminates the giant bottomless pit of online horror on the Left and Right

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  • 04/12/2017

I as a leftist admire this criticism of leftism

A great and rigorous analysis of current trends, an intellectually honest critique of the identetarian segments of the modern left. Truly worth your time.

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  • Gregory
  • 11/02/2020

That's it?

There is so much more to this. there was no mention of the mass uncoordinated spontaneous and organic movements from exposing Scientology, the reaction to woke celebrities such as the he will not divide us campaign, memeing Donald trump into the presidency, shutting down corporations websites with DDOS attacks, invading childrens online games and spreading hate with memes, to purity motivated trackdowns of rapists, murderers, and animal abusers. This phenomenon, known as "weaponized autism" and its application to mass movement goals is completely absent.

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  • caitlyngarofolo
  • 31/05/2020

The voice of now

Angela tackles some of the problems with today's troll society. Originally i wanted to read this because my favorite author sited it as one of his favorite reads as of late. I didnt know what I was getting into but I am delighted I got to engage with this informative read. I gained a lot of understanding about the world I am living in, the internet age and how it influences politics and society.

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  • Amazon Customer
  • 06/05/2020

Really interesting dive into internet culture

Really interesting and in-depth look into the online culture wars. At times the audio can be hard to follow as it seems to jump quickly so you've got to pay close attention. The content can also jump from a simpler breakdown of the culture wars to a high-level academic review with references to any number of content that isn't always explained and can leave you feeling left behind if you don't have that level of background on the content. Lastly, the author does express biases in the book and while I respect the transparency some of the admitted biases seemed unnecessary and distracting as well as somewhat petty. But overall the content is exactly what I was looking for to start learning about different areas of online culture.

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  • Matthew E Larsen
  • 14/03/2020

Great! Needs more feminist context though!

Very insightful and informative work on the growth of online, alt-right, transgressive culture. It could benefit from a strong dose of feminist theory to truly show how the actions of the population studied, while transgressive of the modern left-moralist culture, are firmly rooted in our domination-riddled, patriarchalist society. Their transgression is superficial but their conformity runs deep, in the same way that a devout Satan-worshipper must, by definition, also believe in God and Jesus. For example, when the 4chan posters criticize female vanity represented by a photo of a woman showing a brick, what they are truly criticizing (though completely unaware they are doing so) are the gender roles that incentivize, if not require, a woman to pose herself in such a way. Gender roles and behaviors that are not innate but learned, taught her by a deeply unequal society. I encourage readers to seek out the rich and enriching works of feminist theory, which, at their root, argue for the restoration of all humans to wholeness. A far cry from the female-chauvinistic, misandric, superficial crap generally peddled as "feminism" in mainstream society, and to which these young unfortunates of 4chan are rightly reacting but in deeply, deeply wrong ways!