This week on PodBiz, NJ speaks with Michael Osborne about how shows move from passion projects to major media partnerships and why that transition is almost never fast or accidental.

Michael has built and produced multiple podcasts that successfully partnered with organizations like Smithsonian Magazine, PRX, and Wondery. Across those projects, he’s seen firsthand how patience, clarity of concept, and real audience feedback matter far more than chasing trends.

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Throughout the conversation, Michael and NJ unpack what creators often misunderstand about timing, originality, and the work required to make a podcast attractive to partners without losing its creative core. They also explore why most successful deals come years into a show’s life and how audience research, not downloads alone, shapes long-term growth.

This episode offers a grounded look at podcasting as a business built on iteration, collaboration, and trust.

• The difference between indie experimentation and industry readiness

• How podcasts evolve into partner-ready properties

• Why originality of concept and host both matter

• Audience research as a growth and development tool

• Why partnerships take years, not months

• Increasing value density in audio storytelling

• The role of producers and collaborators in refining shows

• Balancing creative fulfillment with sustainable business goals

Michael Osborne is a seasoned podcast producer and consultant based in Austin, Texas. He launched his first show, Generation Anthropocene, in 2011 during his PhD studies in climate science at Stanford University. The podcast later partnered with Grist and Smithsonian Magazine. Michael went on to develop Raw Data, a narrative podcast that collaborated with PRX and PRI, and Famous & Gravy, a dead celebrity biography podcast currently partnering with Wondery. His work has earned multiple Webby and Signal Awards, including for Famous & Gravy, Black Women of Amherst College, and Stanford’s From Our Neurons to Yours. Michael has also delivered two TEDx talks and operates 14th Street Studios, a production and consulting firm in downtown Austin.

Connect with Michael on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-c-osborne/

Threads: https://www.threads.net/@famousandgravy

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100076654703402

(01:04) Michael’s path from academia to podcasting

(03:13) Three shows, three different partnerships

(05:48) Originality and value density in podcast concepts

(10:51) Why partner timelines are longer than creators expect

(14:56) MVP versus mature, partner-ready shows

(16:20) Gathering meaningful audience feedback

(19:01) Interactive formats and listener insight

(24:41) Producing podcasts as a long-term practice

(31:25) Sustainability and creative careers

(38:43) How partners evaluate podcast projects

(44:01) The future of audio-first storytelling

PodBiz is the podcast about the business of podcasting. Hosted by industry veterans Norma Jean Belenky and John Kiernan, the show features conversations with creators, executives, and platform leaders to answer one question: Where’s the money in podcasting?

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