In this episode of the John Kitchens Coach Podcast, John Kitchens sits down with Jay Kinder to break down the $300 ad strategy that consistently produces 2–3 real estate deals every single month—without chasing referrals, overpaying portals, or riding the income rollercoaster.

This isn't a hype-filled conversation about "running ads." It's a behind-the-scenes look at how predictable deal flow actually works when you understand conversations, constraints, and customer acquisition cost.

John and Jay walk through why most agents fail with ads, how a small, disciplined budget can outperform massive spend, and why the real goal isn't leads—it's controlled, repeatable conversations. If you're tired of inconsistent closings, referral fees eating your margins, or guessing where your next deal is coming from, this episode gives you a simple framework to take control.

• Why small, consistent ad spend beats large, inconsistent budgets

• How $300/month can outperform thousands in referral fees

• The real objective of ads: conversations, not clicks or leads

• Why predictability matters more than scale early on
  
  

• The mistake agents make after 7–10 days of "no results"

• Why agents blame platforms instead of fixing the constraint

• The danger of not understanding message-to-market match

• Why most agents quit before ads have time to compound
  
  

• Why conversations are the only KPI that matters

• How many conversations it actually takes to close 2–3 deals

• Increasing conversations per hour through automation and AI

• Why lead count is a vanity metric
  
  

• Breaking down referral fees vs. paid ads

• Why paying $3–5K per deal kills long-term growth

• Understanding real cost per closing

• Why controlling CAC gives you leverage and freedom
  
  

• Identifying your biggest bottleneck ("Herbie")

• Why fixing the wrong problem keeps you stuck

• How to build throughput instead of chaos

• Why lead gen, conversion, and fulfillment must stay balanced
  
  

• How inconsistent closings destroy cash flow

• Why fulfillment kills lead gen without systems

• Designing a business that runs even when you're busy

• The shift from "agent" to CEO thinking
  
  

• The Goal by Eliyahu Goldratt – Theory of Constraints

• Dan Kennedy – Direct response marketing fundamentals

• Gary Halbert – Message-to-market match

• Alex Hormozi – Constraint-based growth principles

• CoachKitchens.ai – AI-powered real estate business assistant

• John Kitchens Executive Coaching → JohnKitchens.coach

If you can't predict your next 2–3 deals, your business isn't a business—it's a gamble.

This episode proves you don't need massive budgets, portals, or referral fees to win. You need clarity, discipline, and control over your conversations.

Stop guessing.
Stop overpaying.
Build a simple system that works every month.

"The goal isn't more leads—it's predictable conversations that turn into predictable closings." – John Kitchens

ess to answer it honestly—determines your next level.

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