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12 Rules for Life

An Antidote to Chaos
Durée : 15 h et 39 min
4.5 out of 5 stars (117 notations)
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Penguin presents the audiobook edition of 12 Rules for Life, written and read by Jordan B. Peterson.

What are the most valuable things that everyone should know? Acclaimed clinical psychologist Jordan Peterson has influenced the modern understanding of personality, and now he has become one of the world's most popular public thinkers, with his lectures on topics from the Bible to romantic relationships to mythology drawing tens of millions of viewers.

In an era of unprecedented change and polarising politics, his frank and refreshing message about the value of individual responsibility and ancient wisdom has resonated around the world.

In this book, he provides 12 profound and practical principles for how to live a meaningful life, from setting your house in order before criticising others to comparing yourself to who you were yesterday, not someone else today. Happiness is a pointless goal, he shows us. Instead we must search for meaning, not for its own sake but as a defence against the suffering that is intrinsic to our existence.

Drawing on vivid examples from his clinical practice and personal life, cutting-edge psychology and philosophy, and lessons from humanity's oldest myths and stories, Peterson takes the listener on an intellectual journey like no other. Gripping, thought-provoking and deeply rewarding, 12 Rules for Life offers an antidote to the chaos in our lives: eternal truths applied to our modern problems.

©2018 Jordan B. Peterson (P)2018 Penguin Books Ltd

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Fantastic, made me weep!

The book being read by Jordan Peterson was ideal for his tone and emphasis! Five stars aren't enough!

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Nice, if you like preaching

It’s a good book. It’s also a tiresome book.

Riddled with anecdotes and snippets of advice on how to live. I listened to the audiobook and Peterson's voice is often harsh - he sounds angry most of the time. It's not his fault, perhaps he speaks like this all the time, but I've had my fill.

I got really tired of the author's sermons in the end. I could barely finish the book.
I had to skip certain texts - especially when he goes on and on, time and again, preaching biblical , often Old Testament truths.
Am I in church ?

At times the book is absolutely genius. Some texts are jewels of insight, knowledge and wisdom.

At times though, I find the writer totally misses the mark.

I think Peterson is a good man - I believe he has had too much unfair criticism from many; archiving him with the alt-right. He clearly is not an extremist. There’s a moderate conservatism present - but also a moderate progressivism. All in all a very descent and good person.

I understand that the book has helped many people with their lives, especially young men. For this I would give it 5 stars.

But the constant preaching and promotion of Old Testament ideas totally turns me off.
One star taken away.

And some of the basic tenets are discutable if not plain wrong. Take the idea that “feminine equals chaos" while "masculin equals order”.

Or the way he starts the chapter in rule 7 : ““Life is suffering. That’s clear. There is no more basic, irrefutable truth.”

Hmm…. no it isn't.

And then there's all the contradictory material.
Take "Rule 9", where the first paragraph details how wrong it is to give advice. This ... in a book littered with advice, sermons and preaching.


And so I take another star away - leaving the book with 3 stars.

It’s a good book. But I’m not going to buy the sequel.

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Mind Blower Extraordinaire

The first chapter seemed actually to be the less easy to get through. The Coda is quite an acrobatic exercise. Thanks for the great work, JBP!

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Way too long

Like many reviewers , I enjoyed his YouTube videos, however, while listening to this audiobook, I felt like a mouse in a labyrinth looking for a piece of cheese. This book could be condensed down to a single flash card. Too many religious references and the author goes off on an tangent for too many times in each rules. Save your time and buy a summary.

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  • E.T.
  • France
  • 08/01/2019

The best self help book ever written

Jordan B. Peterson is for the most important intellectual of our time, read this book !

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very knowledgeable person with a true

will to share his wisdom, morals and philosophy to the word. worth the reading even though there is a lot to chew

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Complete disrespect of my time

I couldn't get past the second rule, the rules themselves may be useful and really good but the author has a way to communicate them that really makes it hard to stay focused and willing to keep listening.

First, it is waaaaaaaay too long, I feel like every chapter could be shortened at least 10 times. The author has no respect for the listener time.
Second, the explanations and context seem completely off-topic, it takes dozens of minutes between the beginning of a chapter on a given rule and the moment when the author finally makes a connection between what he's saying and the rule itself.
Third, in the 2h49mns I have listened to, I feel like the author has talked about God/Christianity for half of that time. All of second rule seems to be based on this topic, this is completely unacceptable. In no way does God/Christianity belong in any "scientific" book, if you really want to use God/Christianity to make a point, make it really quick. I don't need nor want to hear about Adam and Eve for 30minutes straight like in this book, this is nonsense.

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need a second and third listen!!! a GOLD MINE!!!

great and quite unsettling because everything is so deep. These 12 lessons need to be taken into account in our lives because they will come in handy! great work. My best book for 2018!

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a must read.

A brilliant synthesis accessible to the layman, of ancient and modern wisdom.
Dr J B Peterson is one of the sharpest thinkers of our time aiming at the betterment of society through the betterment of individuals.
the guy deserves a Nobel!

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A masterpiece

I have discovered things I didn't know I knew, such a masterpiece of enlightenment read by the author himself, transfering his own emotions directly through your ears without a middleman. A genuine knowledge.

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  • Jarrod
  • 16/01/2018

Easily accessible wisdom

Jordan Peterson presents a refreshing voice of wisdom in a crowd of shrill hysteria and politically correct drivel. I was impressed with the combination of common sense advice and surprising insights. There is lots to learn here. If you’re looking for a blueprint for a life well lived, you’ve come to the right place.

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  • M MENGEL
  • 01/02/2018

Lit

A candle has been lit in the world to keep the dark at bay.

I’m in awe of Jordan’s capacity to ignore the nonsense hurled at him, and still speak with a white hot passion to help people. It humbles and makes you want to emulate.

Twelve simple rules that get into your subconscious so quickly it feels like they were always there.

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  • Martin
  • 20/02/2018

Life-changing in every sense of the word

This book has brought me joy, laughter and also tears, grief and profound sadness. Through the wisdom of ancient texts and personal anecdotes, doctor Peterson gave me courage to face my fear of responsibility, take my place in the world and improve the lives of those around me. The performance is deeply personal and precise as is the case with other Peterson's material. I hope I will return to this book for strength and inspiration whenever I need them most.

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  • Oliver
  • 18/01/2018

Deep and enjoyable experience

Peterson goes all in in his effort to lay out his philosophy in a form that resonates on many levels of analysis. The book is simultaneously a compelling map of reality, guide to a balanced and meaningful life, and a deep defence of Western culture, Christian values and healthy masculinity, which are all currently under attack. I think this book is not just an insightful thought provoker, but also a healthy vaccination against dangerous ideological viruses which are unleashed in the modern world.

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  • Hans
  • 28/03/2018

Pure Wisom

Any additional comments?

Jordan Peterson deliver advices, that are ready to implement into our daily life.
He turns his knowledge into wisdom by showing the principles, which we should use as a guide both in the professional and private life.

Idea of taking full responsibility for our choices makes perfect sense and give hope to all of the young people, who got deeply immersed into the nihilist world of mass consumption.

JBP narration makes the whole listening experience even better.

Lessons that you can takeaway from this book could be life-changing, especially if you want to give your life meaning and orient yourself in the world.

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  • Anubhav Misra
  • 12/02/2018

Spirituality for the reasonable

Would you consider the audio edition of 12 Rules for Life to be better than the print version?

I prefer the narrative power of the author speaking his own words. Hence, yes! I find it much better than the print.

What was one of the most memorable moments of 12 Rules for Life?

The coda(nice choice of words there). Like a sonata form recapitulation, it ties together the multi-themed spiritual sonata that was this book!

Was there a moment in the book that particularly moved you?

The story about the suffering of his daughter and the frailty of li'l children moved me particularly.

"We love not 'despite' the limitations, but 'because' of them. And of course, it more complicated than that"

Any additional comments?

This book is great, not because it's some groundbreakingly new content and idea that have not been expressed before. It is so as it brings back an important aspect in the spiritual quest that is absent from most new age spiritual teachers: FORM! Most spiritual thinkers have removed everything that even resembles any real manifestation so much so that it is almost impossible to have use of what they are saying.

Jordan Peterson brings back the fundamental(archetypal) stories of our experiences back to the social collective consciousness and for that we must thank him.

This book unlike most self-help books, this book doesn't try to explain the title in almost banal detail. It takes the idea and brings it alive through contrast, variation, and storytelling that drives home the title without having to repeat it once. Only thing I can think of that comes close is classical music.

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  • Tim
  • 05/02/2018

Precise yet broad.

The book points to exact steps for improvement in your life and then goes into depths I haven't even thought about. Sometimes it was too much for me. But in the end it's a must read.

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  • Andrew
  • 27/01/2018

Eventually; Reason, Enlightenment Returned.

a good dollop of ethical understanding shared in a real and down to earth way. Jordan who is a clinical psychologist brings and humanely articulates an important message as western society struggles with its many psycho-social problems and virus-like shallow group identity politics and conveniently manipulative political correctness. He is well versed in English and Russian literature and explains the archtypical aspects contained therein and in Western culture. I laughed at many of his personal accounts and almost cried at others.
So many men in western society don't know how to be men anymore and there is a high rate of suicide in this group. He teaches how to be a man, and to be aware of the oedipical parent.

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  • Sebastian
  • 11/07/2018

Overrated

Not the new bible on how to live your life. It's all over the place even making it hard to remember the rules themselves. Struggled to finish and found my mind to wander.

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  • M.W.
  • 31/03/2018

A book filled with meaning.

I loved the book from beginning to end. 100 percent recommended for these convoluted times. Great read, narrated by Dr. Peterson.



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  • Asgar
  • 12/02/2018

Listen/read only a few pages at a time

Peterson wrote this like a religious book. Repitition is common in a few segments of this book. This can be very annoying if listened to in long sessions. The ending part has a really weird amendments vibe to it, where peterson asks himself questions which he answers himself in a very theatralic way, almost as if god spoke to him. It's a solid book but bloated and at points close to religiously theatralic and vague.

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  • DjM
  • 24/01/2018

Gute Übersicht über Dr. Petersons Philosophie

Würden Sie 12 Rules for Life noch mal anhören? Warum?

Das Buch ist für jeden geeignet, der sich mit den Themen Sinn des Lebens und Moral auseinandersetzen will. Dabei ist es kein klassisches Selbsthilfebuch mit trivialen Einsichten sondern ehr eine Erleuterung und Aktualisierung der Werte des Abendlandes. Prof. Jordan Peterson verbindet dabei kompetent philosophie und religiöse Tradition mit fundierten wissenschaftlichen Erkenntnissen aus Psychologie und Biologie.Das Buch ist eine Fortführung der Philosophie von Prof. Jordan Peterson, für mich ist es eine etwas einfacher zugängliche Version von Maps of Meaning. Für Fans von Prof. Jordan Peterson gibt es nicht so viel Neues, jedoch ist es kompakter zusammen gefasst als seine ehr losen Vorträge und Vorlesungen auf Youtube.Gelesen wird das Buch von Prof. Jordan Peterson selbst. Er hat sicherlich keine klassische Radiostimme, aber aus meiner Sicht ist es am authentischten ihn selber zu hören.

Was wäre für andere Hörer sonst noch hilfreich zu wissen, um das Hörbuch richtig einschätzen zu können?

Insgesamt eine große Empfehlung!

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  • Philipp Müller
  • 05/05/2018

This book is life changing and enlightening!

Every young person from generation Y and Z should read this book! We live in nihilistic times that force us to reevaluate why things we used to do might be important and why we shouldn't just randomly cast aside things that have established themselves through evolution itself. Read this, this book will help anyone understand themselves and the world better.

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  • Amazon Customer
  • 13/08/2018

Useful advice, drowned in unhelpful rants.

I am actually quite fond of Mr Peterson as a live speaker. But this is a book and not a podcast. He has spent little to no effort focusing, pruning and structuring the content of this book, resulting in an honestly mediocre book. This book is written in two modes. One delivers solid advice from an experienced psychologist and backs it up with a bit of science. That's 10% of the book. The remaining 90% of the book are the ramblings of your demented psychologist uncle. As soon as the advice has been laid down, he launches nonsensically on all directions. You can expect embarrassing attempts at poetry, bible study, rants about his favourite novelists, rants about his hatred of communism etc. While it all fits the bleak tone of the book, very little of that actually connects to the advice and is more like random things that he wanted to get out of his chest. Mr Peterson mentions at some point that there is a one-page version of his 12 rules, containing just the rules. You should find that list instead, and save 15 hours of life.

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  • Henrik
  • 24/01/2018

A timely book - thinking with a Nietzschean Hammer

Würden Sie 12 Rules for Life noch mal anhören? Warum?

I'm going to listen to some of the chapters of Petersons book. The rules about "Rule 1: Stand up straight with your shoulders back" and "Rule 5: Do not let your children do anything, that makes you dislike them." are probably those that I will listen to once more. Not that the other chapters are no good, but those two advices and the information accompanying them, where those that I feel are the most relevant to me.
I've seen several of the lectures of Jordan B Peterson on his Youtube-channel, and there is a lot material, phrases and themes that are recurring in this book. It doesn't bother me, because they bear repeating. I've primarily been taken in by his lectures on personality, where I learned new things, to me, about e.g. the Big Five.
I've been surprised to what extent he is steeped in the existentialist thinking - I've seen that he has does lectures, but I haven't watched them.
His thinking is an amalgam of Jungian, Existentialist and Psychological thinking, where he also draws from literary sources, in particular Dostojevski and Solstjenetzyn.
On the negative side, I must admit that his many excursions in to Jungian thinking, and his interpretations of Biblical Motives leaves me unconvinced. I might give Jung a chance in a near future to see if I've been wrong about him as a thinker, but I wrote him off many years ago.
Where I find Peterson at his best and most timely is on his insistence, that that there are some prevalent misconceptions at the moment about the sexes, childrearing, equality etc. Ideas that are not helpful, but rather hurtful and a hindrance in the pursuit of meaningful lives.
Finally I was surprised and moved by the story about his daughter's plight.
Jordan B Peterson is a timely writer for these times. A psychologist with a Nietzschean Hammer for a pen, megaphoning out thoughts and truths about men, women, sex, children, the left, the meaning of life and existence.

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  • Utilisateur anonyme
  • 06/05/2018

lobster gang

it is a very eye opening book about life in general by Peterson. definitely check out his YouTube as well.

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  • Felix Hever
  • 08/10/2018

Well, I cannot quite put my finger on it, but

Listening to and finishing this audiobook was an ambivalent experience.

On the one hand, one can clearly perceive some of Peterson's genius and benefit from some of the rules laid out in this book.
On the other hand, Peterson's genius often seems to be squandered on abstract christian mythology. Moreover, the fact that these rules belong, or are intrinsic to a partly broken system, is not addressed. More often than not, the author equates literary and religious stories to some kind of ubiquitous god-given law, from which no one can escape and therefore must follow its rules.

One example: Stand up straight with your shoulders back. Surely we can agree on the obvious benefits of following said rule. However, why not question our species primitive focus on symbols of strength and dominance, why take it as an immutable human universal?

Don't get me wrong, I will not go full SJW on this issue, but I believe the book was lacking some discussion on Peterson's own foundational myths and focused way too much on christian theology.

On occasion, I found myself listening to some kind of screachy preacher trying to convince me of the supreme christian God and his inescapable powers. The sporadic Dostojewski or Nietzsche references barely helped, as they too were always promptly connected to judeo-christian mythology.

I admit to being slightly allergic to religion, but I believe that even for an open-minded agnostic, there was simply too much talk about Adam and Eve.

Conclusion:
50 % helpful, sometimes brilliant insights on human psychology
50 % religious gibberish and weak metaphysical reasoning

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  • Youknowthebo
  • 15/06/2018

Some good advice, some very redundant.But too long

Some good advice, some very redundant. But the audiobook is five hours too long Imho. Furthermore it seems very "preachy" at times and goes too much into religion for my taste. But of the 12 rules, seven are very helpful

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  • Utilisateur anonyme
  • 21/04/2018

Great book

I Enjoyed the book a lot and i will Read it again .
sou shoud to.

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  • Matthias Lange
  • 29/06/2018

Little Life-Philosophy

Started interesting with big dramatugically pattern of Chaos and order. But transformed in a book containing simple and useless hints about Children and Pets. I am really bored and will Hive it back.

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