The best conversations happen when you stop trying to manufacture them.

Will thought it was spelled “Washa.” Michael roasted Jessica’s cross-eyed tendencies. And somewhere between laughs and randomness, this episode turned into one of the most transparent conversations yet about creativity, identity, and what it actually means to stick with something for four years.

This one moves freely. From creative energy and beard philosophy to testing business ideas without blowing up your life, the discussion lands on persistence, prayer over planning, and learning how to listen when direction matters most. It is messy, reflective, and grounded in the reality of showing up consistently even when clarity is still forming.

If you are building, creating, or simply trying to stay committed to something meaningful, this conversation reminds you that progress often looks imperfect while it is happening.

Key Topics Covered:

• Creative energy distribution and burnout

• The meaning of a four-year commitment

• Identity expressed through small personal choices

• Testing ideas without destabilizing life

• Starting with one client and building momentum

• Prayer, listening, and faith-led planning

• Where creatives actually find inspiration

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Connect with the hosts:
Will Abel: https://www.linkedin.com/in/willabel
Michael Grier: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelgrier