In this episode of What the Prophets Say, Emma Stark is joined by Jonah Wilson and Matt Johnson for a hilarious, honest, and weighty end-of-year conversation that turns sharply into a prophetic call: the Church has a leadership problem, and it’s rooted in a lack of journeying with people.

Together they unpack what it means to follow Jesus and lead others at the same time. From Peter’s messy, Spirit-led learning curve to modern leaders who raise people up too quickly without real parenting and accountability, this episode challenges listeners to move from past-to-present thinking into present-to-future leadership.

You’ll hear why:

• Leadership requires releasing others, not gathering crowds
• “bigger buildings” can be the wrong dream
• Some endings must be expedited to step into new mantles
• Healthy ministry needs boundaries (“good fences make good neighbours”)
• Every leader needs wells, not constant drains
• We all need people beside us, and someone to pull up

If you’ve been faithful in the pew, the Bible study, or the background, consider this your push: it’s time to lead something, journey with someone, and build a company of leaders for what’s ahead.

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In this end-of-year episode of What the Prophets Say, Emma Stark is joined by Louise Reid and Karyn Stewart for a lively, provocative, and deeply prophetic conversation about curiosity, courage, sharpening, and the call to get out of the boat.

As 2025 draws to a close, the trio reflects on what must be carried forward, and what must be left behind. They unpack the necessity of relationships that challenge us, conversations that sharpen rather than soothe, and the danger of comfort masquerading as faithfulness.

This episode explores:

• Why provocation can be a gift from God
• How curiosity keeps us spiritually alive
• Why comfort and fear are equally limiting
• Peter’s leap out of the boat - and why sinking wasn’t failure
• The power of being rescued by Jesus after the leap
• How betrayal, failure, and discomfort become catalysts for growth
• Why God deliberately frustrates the status quo
• The call to adventurous faith as we step into 2026

This is a conversation for leaders, pioneers, and believers who sense that the season ahead requires more bravery, more curiosity, and more dependence on God than ever before.

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In this reflective, vulnerable, prophetically charged episode, Emma Stark sits down with Taylor and Ali McFarlane to unpack their greatest spiritual and emotional learns of 2025. After a turbulent year marked by unanswered prayers, unexpected challenges, breakthroughs, stretching moments, and divine interruptions, the trio shares the raw process of walking with God through a season where nothing looked predictable, and everything required surrender.