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The Way Out Is In

The Way Out Is In

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This podcast series is aimed at helping us to transcend our fear and anger so that we can be more engaged in the world in a way that develops love and compassion. Thich Nhat Hanh’s calligraphy ‘The Way Out Is In” highlights that the way out of any difficulty is to look deeply within, gain insights and then put them into practice. "The Way Out is In" is co-hosted by Brother Phap Huu, Thich Nhat Hanh's personal attendant for 17 years and the abbot of Plum Village's Upper Hamlet, and Jo Confino, who works at the intersection of personal transformation and systems change. The podcast is co-produced by the Plum Village App and Global Optimism, with support from the Thich Nhat Hanh Foundation.© 2026 Plum Village Hygiene & Healthy Living Personal Development Personal Success Psychology Psychology & Mental Health Spirituality
Episodes
  • A Love Letter to the Vietnameseness (Episode #117)
    29 Oct 2026

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    Welcome to a new episode of The Way Out Is In: The Zen Art of Living, a podcast series mirroring Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh’s deep teachings of Buddhist philosophy: a simple yet profound methodology for dealing with our suffering, and for creating more happiness and joy in our lives.

    This special episode features a deep conversation about Vietnamese identity in the diaspora, led by Zen Buddhist monk Brother Phap Huu, scholar Nho Tran, and acclaimed novelist Ocean Vuong.

    The discussion explores Vietnameseness, the complexities of being Vietnamese in the West, and the challenges of maintaining cultural identity while adapting to new environments. The three speakers reflect on their personal journeys; the role of Buddhism in shaping their understanding of identity; the need to reject binary thinking and embrace the multifaceted nature of Vietnamese identity; the practice of joy; communal healing; the significance of filial piety; the role of language and tradition in preserving cultural heritage; honoring one’s roots while allowing for personal growth; and more.

    With an intro by Jo Confino and a short meditation guided by Brother Phap Huu.

    Co-produced by the Plum Village App:
    https://plumvillage.app/

    And Global Optimism:
    https://globaloptimism.com/

    With support from the Thich Nhat Hanh Foundation:
    https://thichnhathanhfoundation.org/

    List of resources

    Ocean Vuong
    https://www.oceanvuong.com/

    Interbeing
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interbeing

    The Plum Village Tradition
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plum_Village_Tradition

    The Way Out Is In: ‘Cultivating Joy and Togetherness in the Midst of Hardship (Episode #95)’ https://plumvillage.org/podcast/cultivating-joy-and-togetherness-in-the-midst-of-hardship-episode-95

    The Way Out Is In: ‘Roots and Renewal (Episode #91)’
    https://plumvillage.org/podcast/roots-and-renewal-episode-91

    The Way Out Is In: ‘Spiritual Friendship (Episode #90)’
    https://plumvillage.org/podcast/spiritual-friendships-episode-90

    Maya Angelou
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_Angelou

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    2 hrs and 3 min
  • Trust in Life (Episode #116)
    15 Oct 2026

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    Welcome to a new episode of The Way Out Is In: The Zen Art of Living, a podcast series mirroring Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh’s deep teachings of Buddhist philosophy: a simple yet profound methodology for dealing with our suffering, and for creating more happiness and joy in our lives.

    In this episode, Zen Buddhist monk Brother Phap Huu and leadership coach Jo Confino discuss the concept of ‘trust in life’. Together, they explore how Buddhist teachings can help us to navigate the tension between accepting life as it is and wanting to control it.

    The conversation further touches on the challenges of modern life, such as information overload and the tendency to seek quick fixes, and how these can be addressed through mindful practices; the role of suffering in personal growth and the importance of being present with one’s experiences; developing inner trust and understanding; the role of mindfulness, direct experience, and discernment in cultivating trust; the significance of simplicity, listening, and the practice of ‘beginner’s mind’ in spiritual growth; the Buddhist concept of aimlessness; and more.

    Co-produced by the Plum Village App:
    https://plumvillage.app/

    And Global Optimism:
    https://globaloptimism.com/

    With support from the Thich Nhat Hanh Foundation:
    https://thichnhathanhfoundation.org/

    List of resources

    Brother Phap Ling (Brother Spirit)
    https://plumvillage.org/people/dharma-teachers/brother-phap-linh

    Interbeing
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interbeing

    The Plum Village Tradition
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plum_Village_Tradition

    The Sun My Heart
    https://www.parallax.org/product/the-sun-my-heart/

    Mahayana
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahayana

    Dharma Talks: ‘Redefining the Four Noble Truths’
    https://plumvillage.org/library/dharma-talks/redefining-the-four-noble-truths

    Ocean Vuong
    https://www.oceanvuong.com/

    Dharma Talks: ‘The Noble Eightfold Path’
    https://plumvillage.org/library/dharma-talks/the-noble-eightfold-path

    The Way Out Is In: ‘The Three Doors of Liberation (Episode #18)’

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    1 hr and 33 min
  • Asking for Help (Episode #115)
    1 Oct 2026


    If you wish to support our podcast, please follow this link. Thank you!

    Welcome to a new episode of The Way Out Is In: The Zen Art of Living, a podcast series mirroring Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh’s deep teachings of Buddhist philosophy: a simple yet profound methodology for dealing with our suffering, and for creating more happiness and joy in our lives.

    In this episode, Zen Buddhist monk Brother Phap Huu and leadership coach Jo Confino discuss the difficulty of asking for help, exploring the cultural and personal barriers that can prevent people from seeking assistance. They emphasize the importance of recognizing indirect requests for help, and the need for compassion and presence when one is asked for help; the role of community and nature in providing support; and the necessity of self-forgiveness and self-care.

    The conversation underscores collective responsibility for addressing societal issues, and the power of shared vulnerability in fostering deeper connections. The hosts also share practical steps, from both teachings and their own lives.

    Co-produced by the Plum Village App:
    https://plumvillage.app/

    And Global Optimism:
    https://globaloptimism.com/

    With support from the Thich Nhat Hanh Foundation:
    https://thichnhathanhfoundation.org/

    List of resources

    Sister Chan Khong
    https://plumvillage.org/about/sister-chan-khong

    Brother Phap Ling (Brother Spirit)
    https://plumvillage.org/people/dharma-teachers/brother-phap-linh

    Interbeing
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interbeing

    The Plum Village Tradition
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plum_Village_Tradition

    Wake Up Retreat 2026
    https://plumvillage.org/articles/wake-up-retreat-2026-am-i-good-enough

    The Four Mantras of Love
    https://plumvillage.org/gems/event/The-Four-Mantras-of-Love-V2DFQvyDMgD3NEx7GTKfXz

    European Institute of Applied Buddhism
    https://www.eiab.eu/

    Mahayana
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahayana

    The Way Out Is In: ‘The Three Jewels (Episode #89)’
    https://plumvillage.org/podcast/the-three-jewels-episode-89

    ‘Beginning Anew’
    https://www.par...

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    1 hr and 10 min
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