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The Startup Podcast

The Startup Podcast

By: Yaniv Bernstein and Chris Saad
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Advice for founders and entrepreneurs who want to build disruptive startups like they do in Silicon Valley. Not another interview podcast: concrete tips and masterclasses on what founders need to know: raising Venture Capital, strategy, product, marketing, growth, and more. A guide to the unique mindset and approach that drives Silicon Valley style disruption. Hosts Chris Saad and Yaniv Bernstein share practical advice based on decades of experience at Google, Uber, and their own startups.Yaniv Bernstein and Chris Saad Economics Leadership Management & Leadership
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  • OpenRouter Head of Insights on how to choose the right model
    24 Oct 2026

    Companies now use an average of 12 models per month, yet the biggest hidden variable isn't which model you pick—it's the inference provider serving it and whether your cache hit rate stays above 85%. Peter Walker from OpenRouter explains how the same open-weight model can have wildly different cost and performance depending on the provider's caching policy, latency tail, and whether a stealth provider is reselling your prompts. The conversation covers why agentic workloads broke cache economics in February 2026, how ZDR policies vary even among "zero data retention" claims, and why the frontier labs are now competing across price and intelligence spectrums simultaneously. For engineers choosing production models, this is a practical map of the dimensions that actually move the bill.

    • The inference provider layer—not just the model layer—now has 200+ competitors, and provider choice directly determines effective cost, latency, and data sovereignty.
    • Cache hit rate is the dominant cost lever for agentic workloads: a cache miss can cost 50-100x more per token, and median agentic cache rates have climbed from ~50% to ~85% in 2026.
    • Most organisations use a 'hub and spoke' model architecture with one 'daily driver' taking the majority of tokens and spend, plus specialised models for departments like customer support or sales.
    • Zero data retention claims vary in trustworthiness by jurisdiction and provider size; some stealth models on OpenRouter are free specifically because they are not ZDR.
    • The gap between frontier and open-weight models is widening in raw capability but narrowing in perceived value, as daily tasks saturate below frontier intelligence.
    • Reasoning-only models and jagged intelligence are driving demand for fast decision models like Jev and OpenAI's decision model for latency-critical paths.
    • 00:00 Introduction
    • 00:38 The New Complexity
    • 04:07 Provider Layer Competition
    • 06:09 Choosing a Provider
    • 08:42 Data Retention Realities
    • 12:39 Model Portfolios
    • 15:23 Latency and Reasoning
    • 18:29 Cache Economics
    • 23:35 Cost-Performance Sweet Spot
    • 26:24 What Comes Next
    • 29:13 Open Weight vs Frontier
    • 32:02 Specialisation and Product
    • 34:14 Where to Follow Peter
    • OpenRouter: https://openrouter.ai
    • OpenRouter Data: https://openrouter.ai/data
    • DeepSeek: https://www.deepseek.com
    • Anthropic: https://www.anthropic.com
    • OpenAI: https://openai.com
    • Google AI: https://ai.google
    • Cerebras: https://www.cerebras.net
    • CoreWeave: https://www.coreweave.com
    • ElevenLabs: https://elevenlabs.io
    • Artificial Analysis: https://artificialanalysis.ai
    • Groq: https://groq.com

    Peter Walker is Head of Insights at OpenRouter, where he analyses global model usage patterns across the inference layer.

    This episode is presented by SparkLaunch and Dam Secure.

    • SparkLaunch (https://sparklaunch.io/wizardry): Applied Wizardry listeners get an extra 20% off.
    • Dam Secure (https://damsecure.ai/wizardry): Applied Wizardry listeners get their first month free.
    • Justin McArthur, Executive Producer and Video Editor: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justin-mcarthur/
    • Steph Hefferan, Editor: https://www.linkedin.com/in/steph-heff/


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    56 min
  • Applied Wizardry: Cutting AI coding token costs, with Dave Slutzkin
    16 Oct 2026

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    Dave Slutzkin, co-founder of Antiburn, joins Yaniv to break down what actually drives token costs in agentic development and how to bring them down. They cover how caching differs between Anthropic and OpenAI, when to reach for which model and thinking mode, and why the habit of compaction matters more than any other optimisation. If you're spending real money on AI-assisted development, you'll come away with concrete tactics for cutting token burn without cutting capability.

    Key takeaways

    • Context window depth is the dominant driver of token cost; compacting actively at 200,000-300,000 tokens matters more than any other single action.
    • Cache expiry behaviour differs materially between providers: Anthropic's cache expires at exactly 1 hour, OpenAI's Codex cache is best-effort and often drops in 5-20 minutes, but OpenAI subscriptions do not charge for cache writes while Anthropic subscriptions effectively do through quota.
    • Using a frontier model with a simple prompt to delegate to cheaper subagents is a practical pattern that balances capability and cost without requiring complex harness engineering.
    • High thinking modes often produce worse results than medium or low because models overthink, invent requirements, and fix unrelated bugs; the benchmark sweet spot is typically medium.
    • Skills files, MCPs, auto-memories, and system prompts silently bloat context windows; regular clean-up every month or two reduces both cost and quality degradation.
    • Fast mode costs 2.5x per token but can improve output quality through tighter interaction loops; it is best used deliberately rather than left on by default.

    Chapters

    • 00:00 Introduction
    • 00:38 The Token Burn Problem
    • 03:12 Three Stages of Adoption
    • 07:03 Model Choices Multiplying
    • 11:14 The Cardinal Mistake: Depth
    • 18:13 Worst-Case Usage Patterns
    • 22:13 Picking Models by Feel
    • 30:23 Thinking Modes and Overthinking
    • 35:23 Fast Mode Trade-offs
    • 48:46 Caching: Anthropic vs OpenAI
    • 52:29 Context Window Ceiling
    • 56:32 Cleaning Up Context Bloat
    • 56:46 Where to Find Dave

    Links and tools mentioned

    • Antiburn: https://antiburn.com
    • Anthropic Claude: https://www.anthropic.com
    • OpenAI Codex: https://openai.com/codex
    • Harvey: https://www.harvey.ai
    • Legora: https://legora.com

    About Dave Slutzkin

    Co-founder of Antiburn, a company that helps developers understand and optimise their token spend for AI-assisted coding.

    This episode is presented by SparkLaunch and Dam Secure.

    • SparkLaunch (https://sparklaunch.io/wizardry): Applied Wizardry listeners get an extra 20% off.
    • Dam Secure (https://damsecure.ai/wizardry): Applied Wizardry listeners get their first month free.

    Credits

    • Justin McArthur, Executive Producer and Video Editor: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justin-mcarthur/
    • Steph Hefferan, Editor: https://www.linkedin.com/in/steph-heff/
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    1 hr
  • ScaleStudio: The new tool putting our principles into practice
    3 Aug 2026
    After nearly 300 episodes of The Startup Podcast, Chris Saad is bringing everything he's learned about building world-class products and product strategy into a single tool: ScaleStudio. In what may be our final episode (unless a white knight sponsor appears), Chris walks Yaniv through the product that could fundamentally change how founders approach strategy; from problem statement all the way to positioning, roadmap sequencing, and org design.Chris demonstrates how this one AI tool, housing his vast knowledge of Silicon Valley startup strategy, can give an overwhelming process a navigable structure, allowing founders to plot a deliberate course through the chaos.In this episode, you will:Discover how Scale Studio turns Chris's 30 years of product strategy expertise into an AI tool that guides you from problem statement through to roadmap and positioningSee the complete strategy development workflow in action: from mapping all possible problem domains and solutions, to building the org structure required to executeLearn why mapping the entire solution space upfront prevents the "thrash" that derails most startups when customer requests pull the team in conflicting directionsUnderstand the customer terrain framework that reveals which customer segments are easy wins and which are death traps, allowing you to carve the narrowest viable wedge into your marketSee how Scale Studio integrates with your development workflow through exports and MCP connections, turning high-level strategy into actionable execution roadmapsExplore how AI can now handle the heavy lifting of strategy generation and iteration in around an hour, while keeping guardrails in place to maintain quality and coherence across every sectionTimestamps00:14 On Today's Show: The Last Startup Podcast?01:39 Turning Our Advice Into A Product (ScaleStudio)03:18 Homepage And Templates04:40 Problem Statement05:36 Copilot And Collaboration08:10 Solutions And Editing09:49 'How It Works' Stage11:22 Building Strategy From Seed13:32 Mapping The Solution Space18:53 Customer Segments and Personas20:46 Wedges And Customer Terrain23:07 Customer Roadmap View26:32 Org Design28:03 How Does AI Change Hiring?31:18 Roadmap To Unlocking Cohorts33:51 Market Sizing37:25 Planning the Future of ScaleStudio… in ScaleStudio?39:08 The Future of Agentic Orgs42:11 Closing Thoughts: 4 Years of TSPResources mentioned in this episodeScaleStudio (Chris’s AI-powered product strategy tool): https://scalestudio.io/Vera (Yaniv's Startup): https://vera.guide The PactHonor the Startup Podcast Pact! If you have listened to TSP and gotten value from it, please:Follow, rate, and review us in your listening appSecure your official TSP merchandise at https://shop.tsp.show/Follow us on YouTube for full video episodes: https://www.youtube.com/@startup-podcast Give us a public shout-out on LinkedIn or anywhere you have a social media followingKey linksThis episode of the Startup Podcast is sponsored by .tech domains. Forget weird prefixes and creative misspellings; the availability for .tech domains is simply way better than .com. For a clean name that highlights your tech credentials, get a .tech domain at your favorite registrar.The Startup Podcast website: https://www.tsp.show/episodes/Learn more about Chris and YanivWork 1:1 with Chris: http://chrissaad.com/advisory/Follow Chris on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrissaad/Follow Yaniv on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ybernstein/Producer: Justin McArthur https://www.linkedin.com/in/justin-mcarthurAssistant Producer: Steph Hefferan https://www.linkedin.com/in/steph-heff/Intro Voice: Jeremiah Owyang https://web-strategist.com/
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    46 min
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