Somebody reached out to your church this week. A text, an email, a comment on a post. And nobody answered.

That was not an inquiry you missed. That was a person offering you a relationship, and your church said no by saying nothing.

In this episode Henry starts on a mountain. 1 Kings 18, Carmel, four hundred and fifty prophets on one side and one man on the other. Two altars, same wood, same bull, same crowd, same sky. The only variable in the whole experiment is which name gets called on. And Elijah sets the terms himself. The god who answers, that one is God.

Then the turn. Because every week your church is one of those two altars, and somebody reaches out and finds out which one.

The core of this episode is a claim worth arguing with. You cannot disciple a stranger. Relationship comes before discipleship, every single time, and there is no version of this where you skip it. Mark 3:14 says Jesus appointed twelve so they would accompany him, and then he would send them out. Accompany comes first in the sentence and first in the sequence. Three years of walking and eating and arguing came before a single one of them preached anything.

We built almost every church program in America on the second half of that verse.

IN THIS EPISODE

The showdown at Carmel, and why the verdict was about presence and not power

Mark 3:14, Zacchaeus, and the woman at the well

The sequence that does not run in any other order: conversation, relationship, attendance, belonging, discipleship

Why your membership class does not fill and your small group has the same eight people

Who you connect with outside the room sets the pace for everybody inside it

Scripture: 1 Kings 18, Mark 3:14, Luke 19, John 4

No unanswered message ever became a baptism. Not one, ever, in the history of the church.

Tools do the sending. People do the church.

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Apostolic Insight is the podcast of Simple Systems Consulting. New episode every week through December.

Henry Tolbert is the founder of Simple Systems Consulting and an Associate Pastor at The STAR Church. He and Latoya Tolbert help small and bivocational pastors build churches that run on systems instead of exhaustion.

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Somebody visited your church last Sunday. Whatever you use to follow up, a card, an app, a text thread, a clipboard, somebody's memory, something happened this week. And your numbers have not moved in a year.

That is not a tool problem. That is four empty chairs.

Season 7 of Apostolic Insight is called The Four Pipelines. Guests. Members. Givers. Leaders. Sixteen gates between them, and every single gate hands off to a human being. No software gets a name at the door. No software answers a text. No software recognizes a face on visit two.

In this first episode Henry names all four guest gates, walks through why the stations are empty at most small churches, and does the math out loud on what one unstaffed gate costs you in people every year.

IN THIS EPISODE

The four gates every guest pipeline runs through

Why friendly churches lose guests at the same rate as cold ones

The Wednesday problem, and why your first move is three days late

What an operator actually is: a name, one number, and a report day

The real cost of a chair nobody is sitting in

Scripture: Luke 14:23 NLT

Tools do the sending. People do the church.

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The Mandate Method. How God-called leaders build growing churches with the P3 System. Live, free, every week.

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Apostolic Insight is the podcast of Simple Systems Consulting. New episode every week through December.

Henry Tolbert is the founder of Simple Systems Consulting and an Associate Pastor at The STAR Church. He and Latoya Tolbert help small and bivocational pastors build churches that run on systems instead of exhaustion.

getchurchsystems.com

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In this episode, we discuss a few simple strategies you can use to reach new people and the factors that often affect church growth.