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The Church Systems Podcast

The Church Systems Podcast

By: Henry Tolbert of Simple Systems Consulting
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Summary

A strategic conversation to help you bring discipleship into the digital world.

2026 Henry Tolbert of Simple Systems Consulting
Christianity Economics Leadership Management & Leadership Ministry & Evangelism Spirituality
Episodes
  • 707: You Belong to Nothing
    30 Oct 2026

    Moses said the load was far too heavy. God did not argue with him. God did not send more anointing or a stronger word. He sent seventy men.

    That is the whole episode.

    This is the week of Season 7 where the question turns around. All month we asked who is watching your people fade. This one asks who is watching you.

    Three movements:

    The Room You Built. Numbers 11. Every relationship in that building runs through your role. People are not being distant with you, they are being appropriate. You can be surrounded, celebrated, prayed for and quoted, and still have nobody who knows what this week cost you. And notice what God never said. He never said the load was imaginary. Heavy is not weak.

    The Reasons We Gave. 1 Kings 19. Elijah’s problem was not his feelings, it was his arithmetic. He said I am the only one left. God said there are seven thousand. He was not out of strength, he was out of accurate information. Then the four sentences we taught ourselves because nobody taught us anything better. It comes with the territory. I have my spouse. I do not have time. I am the only one who sees it.

    The Road Back. Exodus 17. Moses did not drop his hands because he was weak, he dropped them because they were heavy. Heaven did not send him strength. Heaven sent two men and a rock to sit on. And read the order carefully. They got him seated before they held anything up. Rest came before reinforcement.

    There is a section in the middle of this one called The Things Nobody Taught Us. Nobody taught us how to receive. Nobody taught us what to do when the building is full and the house is quiet. Nobody taught us how to ask for help without it reading as failure. Nobody taught us that a pastor is allowed to be covered.

    And a word on that last one. Covering is not control. Covering is company. It is Aaron and Hur on each side, not a man standing over you telling you what to do.

    If you are not the pastor, stay for this one anyway. There are three moments in here written directly to you. The shortest version is this. Fine is a skill we were trained in. Ask a second time.

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    47 min
  • 706. The Road With No Signs: Why Nobody Has Ever Asked Them To Join
    13 Oct 2026

    They are not resisting you. They are waiting.

    In Luke 14 a man throws a feast and sends out invitations. The whole town knows. Then verse 17 says he sent his servant to the people he had already invited. Same guests. Second trip. A human being walking to a specific door saying it is ready, come now.

    Most churches have a verse 16 and no verse 17. You have been announcing for years and nobody has ever been sent to the person.

    In this episode Henry walks through the first gate of the Member Pipeline and makes the case that your church does not have a commitment problem. It has an asking problem.

    Three movements:

    Nobody Sent The Servant. Luke 14:16-17 and 23. An announcement is delivered to a room. An invitation has a name in it. The sentence that works has three parts, their name, why you thought of them, and a specific next step. And no, a text blast does not count. If it went to a list, it is still an announcement.

    The Silence Voted For Them. John 1:46 and 2 Timothy 1:7. Three fears stop the ask. Rejection, awkwardness, and not knowing the words. Every one of them is about the asker. Not one is about the person being asked. And the worst one is the one that sounds spiritual.

    Somebody Has To Walk Them In. Acts 9:26-27. Saul tried to join the disciples and they were afraid of him. Then four words changed church history. But Barnabas took him. Belonging is assigned, not felt. Every person who stays at your church has one human being who would notice if they stopped coming.

    Tools do the sending. People do the church.

    RESOURCES

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    Apostolic Insight airs live every Thursday at 6:30 PM CST.

    Season 7 is The Four Pipelines. Guests, Members, Givers, Leaders.

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    21 min
  • Episode 705: Attender Is Not A Member
    2 Oct 2026

    There are two different people sitting in the same seat at your church. One of them is visiting. One of them has already decided this is home.

    And you treat both of them exactly the same, because you cannot tell them apart. Nobody ever built a road between them. There is a chair, and there is a family, and in most churches in this country there is absolutely nothing in between.

    October opens the Member Pipeline, and Henry starts with a sentence that is going to bother some people. You have been counting the crowd and calling it the church.

    Three movements. The crowd, the covenant, and the commission.

    John 6. Jesus has the biggest crowd of his ministry and he preaches a sermon that empties the room. He gets harder, not softer. Not the Pharisees, his own disciples walked out. And then he turns to the twelve and asks the question no pastor in this country is willing to ask anybody. Are you also going to leave?

    Jesus was willing to lose a crowd in order to keep a body. Most pastors have never been willing to lose anybody, and that is exactly why they do not have a body.

    Then Ruth. Your people will be my people, your God will be my God. That is not a feeling and it is not attendance. It is a covenant statement, spoken out loud, to a specific person, with no exit built into it. A foreign woman with no claim chose a people and said so, and that one sentence put her in the lineage of Christ.

    And then Paul calls them members, and we hear roster. He meant body part. A hand. A foot. An eye. A body part has a function and a place it belongs to, and a person in a crowd has neither.

    You cannot commission a crowd.

    IN THIS EPISODE

    Why Acts 2:47 proves the early church had edges and we only have attendance

    The three stages of the road: stranger, citizen, family, and why nobody skips one

    Why your membership class never fills and your small group has the same eight people

    The reason your leader shortage in December starts with your membership gap in October

    Scripture: John 6, Acts 2:47, Ruth 1:16, Ephesians 2:19, 1 Corinthians 12

    You do not have a commitment problem in your people. You have a covenant problem in your house. Nobody ever asked them for one.

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    Apostolic Insight is the podcast of Simple Systems Consulting. New episode every week through December.

    Henry Tolbert is the founder of Simple Systems Consulting and an Associate Pastor at The STAR Church. He and Latoya Tolbert help small and bivocational pastors build churches that run on systems instead of exhaustion.

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    55 min
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