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Surgeons with Purpose

Surgeons with Purpose

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A podcast for surgeons who feel like they are languishing in a career that didn't turn out to be as fulfilling or as prestigious as they expected. Dr. Mel Thacker, an ENT surgeon and coach, takes you on a journey to help you understand why you are feeling dissatisfied, burnt out, and stuck. With this newfound insight, you'll be able to reframe how you see your experience, rediscover who you are underneath your surgeon identity, and create a life that aligns with your authentic self. Find more info about Surgeons with Purpose and other shows on the Hippocratic Collective at hippocratic-collective.com© 2025 Surgeons with Purpose Hygiene & Healthy Living Personal Development Personal Success Physical Illness & Disease Psychology Psychology & Mental Health
Episodes
  • #120 Voice and Visibility with Dr. Sandra Stinnett
    19 Oct 2026

    Last 3 spots for the Women Surgeons retreat! Interview for a spot here.

    Joing us inside Empowered Surgeons Group here.

    Dr. Sandra Stinnett is a laryngologist at the University of Pittsburgh and director of its swallowing disorders center. She has always believed the soul lives in the throat, which makes her choice of specialty feel almost inevitable. Laryngology sits at the intersection of her two great loves: music and medicine, art and science, the voice and the person behind it.

    Married to a musician, Dr. Stinnett was drawn to the variety of laryngology, the short cases, and the immediate, tangible difference she could make in a patient's life. But the moment she knew she'd found her place came during residency, when she performed a delicate phonomicrosurgery without rupturing the capsule around a mass. Her attending told her she had good hands. Sometimes, you just need someone who knows what they're looking at to see something in you before you fully see it yourself.

    Dr. Stinnett's interests have always extended beyond the operating room. Before medicine, she loved journalism and dreamed of becoming a VJ. Today, she's an academic surgeon and content creator, building a public presence alongside her research, publications, and funding. We talk about what it means to create publicly when you know your institution is watching, how to earn the trust and flexibility to speak in your own voice, and why institutional alignment matters. Sandra is deliberate about the issues she speaks on. She's not interested in chasing hot takes. She wants to be a surgeon, a human, and a mom, and she's done pretending those identities need to exist in separate compartments.

    As a woman of color in surgery, Dr. Stinnett believes every physician needs three people in their corner: a coach, a mentor, and a sponsor. Her own visibility has become a kind of advertising, opening doors and putting her name in rooms she never imagined she'd enter. But visibility isn't just about career advancement. Some of Dr. Stinnett's most meaningful work involves rebuilding trust between the Black community and medicine. She shares what it's like when a patient makes it clear they don't want her as their doctor, and we explore the role of allyship, including the importance of having a trusted friend and ally within her own department. We also talk about how her faith helps her resist the urge to vilify people, and why genuine curiosity about people whose lives look different from our own matters.

    Dr. Stinnett does research on stress and the voice. The larynx is an emotional organ, and our voices can reveal what our bodies have been carrying. Through her work examining allostatic load, the cumulative physiological wear and tear of stress, Dr. Stinnett is exploring how that burden affects the very instrument through which we communicate who we are.

    If you've ever wondered how to build a public presence as a surgeon without putting your career at risk, or how to make room for all the parts of yourself in a profession that rarely makes that easy, this conversation is for you.

    Learn more about House of Nephesh here. Follow Dr. Sandra Stinnett on instagram here.

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    59 min
  • #119 Protect the Asset with Dr. Jeremy Heffner
    12 Oct 2026

    ***********SENSITIVE CONTENT WARNING**************************

    This episode discusses suicidal ideation. Please listen carefully.

    Join us inside Empowered Surgeons Group here.

    Jeremy Heffner is a trauma and acute care surgeon fifteen years into practice. He ran the COVID response at his institution. Somewhere in there, his compartmentalization strategy stopped working. He would find himself in situations where he couldn't contain his emotions and couldn't locate where any of it was coming from: which part of the past, which patient, which year. He had hypercompartmentalized to the point that he could no longer find the source. He saw therapists. He did EMDR. Eventually he admitted himself to a residential program for a month. Frontline workers, he says, are given almost nothing to process the day-to-day, so they don't.

    In surgery we keep running until we hit a wall. He describes a room full of surgeons nudging each other about who is earning more and taking the harder cases, and nobody ever asking the only question that matters: did you ever figure out the work-life balance thing? His own verdict is unsparing: you have to run the race yourself and reach your limits before you'll believe they exist.

    After admission to the residential facility, things got worse. Without the normal stressors he felt empty, and there was one night he came very close to dying by suicide. He couldn't work out what defined him anymore. He knew he couldn't go back to being who he had been, because that version hadn't worked. If he wasn't producing ridiculous RVUs, had he failed? For the first time in his life, he didn't know what the path forward looked like. Two realizations moved him. The first was that every single moment of the day is his choice — that the excuses, starting with “if I don't see these patients, then…,” were his own. The second arrived as a willingness to be fired: once he understood he didn't have to prove himself, the rest of the stress fell away. Recognizing your own intrinsic value, he says, is the muscle. And he's blunt about his own part in it; he had been blaming the system for hiding what he was keeping from them.

    He also turned to AI during that stretch, in a state of high vulnerability and shame. It helped him, he says, by forcing his mind onto a new problem. But it also showed him what the models actually do. He argues the models can induce psychosis in vulnerable people, and he lays out three places this could land — we believe we're steering when we aren't; too many destabilizing ideas arrive at once; or we learn to work alongside these systems as neither boss nor slave, which he calls the real threading of the needle. His warning for medicine is sharp: whatever efficiency AI creates does not entitle administrators to more of a physician's time.

    What got him through PTSD was his wife, and a life rebalanced around something other than output. He is worried about the surgeons being trained right now on a model that no longer matches the world, sent out like deer to the slaughter by leaders who haven't noticed the game changed, World War One generals all over again. His closing thought is about leverage: once you genuinely believe in your own worth, you simply stop accepting the terms. You are not an easily replaced part.

    Follow Jeremy on LinkedIn here.

    Join SurgeON here.

    Get his book, Proof of the Impossible here.

    If you're struggling: the Physician Support Line (1-888-409-0141) is free, confidential, and staffed by volunteer psychiatrists for U.S. physicians, residents, and medical students, 8am–1am ET every day and nothing is recorded. The 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline is available any time by call or text.

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    1 hr and 12 min
  • #118 Designing Life in Surgery on Your Terms with Dr. Gopi Shah and Dr. Ashley Agan
    5 Oct 2026
    Interested in the Cabo retreat? Learn more about it here. And interview for a spot here.Join us inside Empowered Surgeons Group here.Gopi Shah and Ashley Agan met when Ashley was a PGY-3 and Gopi was a fellow. They’ve been friends ever since.Both went on to spend about eight years in academic medicine. Ashley made associate professor at UT Southwestern and was the first physician in her family. Gopi built her own academic career. And eventually, they both hit a wall.They describe that wall differently.For Gopi, it was the realization that what she thought her career would feel like was not what it actually felt like. For Ashley, it looked more like a seven-year itch, coupled with a vision she’d carried for years of running a small practice of her own.What I love about their story is that they didn’t leave in the same direction.Gopi and her family moved to Paris on what she calls a pipe dream: the chance to live abroad. She put her professional life completely on hold. She needed the reset, not just professionally, but for her mind, body, and overall wellbeing. At one point, she genuinely wasn’t sure she wanted to keep practicing medicine.Eventually, she tried locums.It was supposed to be a try-it-and-see experiment. Instead, she found a way of practicing that she loves. Every new institution requires her to read the room, understand the system, and figure out how to work within it. She loves the variety, the call, and the hospital medicine.And as a pediatric ENT, she has a pretty good explanation for why she likes working with kids: they keep you honest. They see right through the ego.Ashley watched Gopi do all of this and describes her, in some ways, as a vision board.Two years ago, Ashley left her salaried academic position and opened a direct-care, cash-pay practice, despite being told it wouldn’t work.Her take on cash pay is refreshingly nuanced: it’s harder in some ways and easier in others. Building the practice is harder. Actually practicing medicine without the insurance model hanging over every decision is much simpler.She figured insurance would always be there if she needed it.She hasn’t needed it.What Ashley really wanted was control of her time. Her old life had become two daily frenzies, one in the morning and one in the evening, with a packed clinical day sandwiched between them. Somewhere along the way, she started to feel like she was missing the point of her own life.She understood why the system was built the way it was.She also understood that she could not build the life she wanted inside it.And then there’s BackTable ENT.That started almost by accident.Gopi’s husband had launched BackTable IR as part of a startup building an app that allowed proceduralists to rate devices. The app needed physician engagement, so they started a podcast to drive people toward it.The podcast ended up being the thing of value.Gopi and Ashley first shared a microphone while talking about nosebleeds. In 2020, they decided to make an ENT podcast together. They recorded five episodes, mostly with people they already knew.Ashley’s summary of those early days is basically perfect: it was so fun, even if nobody listened.They weren’t initially thinking about it as education. That came later, when they started talking about all the things that weren’t making it onto the academic agenda.Their first episode in that series was about the idea that you can’t pour from an empty cup. From there, the conversations expanded into practice building, professionalism, personal development, mentorship, coaching, and all of the other things they wish someone had taught them when they were younger.Some of those topics, like the difference between mentorship and coaching, were still genuinely unfamiliar territory when they recorded them.And doing it together mattered.There’s something about having another person beside you that makes it much less terrifying to ask the question that might sound stupid, hear your own voice coming out of a microphone, get in front of a camera, or put an opinion into the world where someone might judge you for it.Their goal is honest conversation.Even with sponsorships, they want to be able to say what they actually think. If there’s something their colleagues should know about a device, they want to say it.These are the conversations that happen on the sidelines at conferences. The conversations that don’t always make it onto the Academy podium.And underneath so much of what they do is a challenge to one of the most deeply ingrained ideas in medicine: that there is only one right way to be a surgeon.Both Gopi and Ashley have learned what happens when you’re willing to fail forward, especially when the risk is one you chose for yourself.That, to me, is the real story here.Not that they left academic medicine.Not that one built a locums career and the other built a cash-pay practice.It’s that they stopped assuming the career they had been handed was the only ...
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    1 hr and 3 min
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