Grandparents face a unique kind of heartbreak. They grieve the loss of their grandchild whilst watching their own child endure a pain they cannot take away.

On 22nd April 2025, Natasha and Finn's beautiful baby boy, Cian, was born sleeping.

In this episode, we're joined by Cian's grandmothers, Nicola (Natasha's mum) and Jo (Finn's mum), for an honest and deeply personal conversation about a grief that is so often overlooked. We explore the helplessness of watching your child suffer, the difficulty of finding space for your own grief, and what it means to support those you love whilst carrying your own heartbreak.

This conversation is an honest look at grief after baby loss, and a gentle guide for anyone wanting to better support someone through it.

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Azher Rubbani lost his son, Hashim, to stillbirth in April 2005 and wants grieving dads to know there’s always space for their feelings.
Azher has built StillDad Fathers (SDF). A private community for dads who have lost a child and have nowhere quiet to take that grief.
As a Grief Guide, Azher creates a safe private space for dads with child loss by showing them how to move with grief.
Link to all of Azher's resources

•STILL PARENTS PODCAST•
•Instagram
•Website
•Matt's Challenge for Callie's 10th Birthday - The Karaoke Runner
•Download The Still Parents Podcast App on Apple & Android
•Watch the Lorraine Kelly interview

•LILY MAE FOUNDATION•
•Website
•Facebook
•Instagram

Produced by Dan Kelly for the Lily Mae Foundation
Show Music by Alex Singh.