On this episode we follow up the on our therapy episode with our experiences using art as therapy. From creating naturally as children to consciously avoiding it as adults, even when we know it would do as good. Art is a wonderful healer, and it doesn't even have to be good!

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Sam and Jamie discuss their experiences of the very real pain, confusion, and sometimes relief of ending a friendship. Whether it drifts towards its end naturally or it ends with a head-on "I'm breaking up with you," these endings are important to acknowledge and grieve.

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We talk about different forms of talk therapy, how they’ve helped our grieving process and why everyone should really give it a go.

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More pet grief this week as Jamie talks about saying goodbye to her little guy Sal. From finding out "it's time" to the immense sadness but profound privilege of loving and comforting a beloved pet as they cross the rainbow bridge. But it's not all sad! We also hear the magical story of how Jamie and her daughter met their little star and about their awesome life together.

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Crista M. talks about the sudden loss of her cat, Jerry, and how the veterinary industrial complex can make a terrible situation even worse. Listen for her advice on what to do when your pet is ill and how to prepare yourself for this devastating loss.

Jerry's bracelet designer

Jerry's stained glass designer

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On this episode, Jessica Payne, thoughtfully talks to us about her and her mom’s incredible and multi-faceted story. After her mom was diagnosed with a terminal illness, then liver cancer, Jessica donated part of her liver to her. This bought her some time, but her mom died three years later. From pre-grief to full-on loss, Jessica’s story resonates with the love and self-discovery Losers like us know all too well.

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Spreading ashes for a loved one can be a really beautiful experience, and it can also be a very awkward one. Hear us (mostly Sam) detail ash spreading experiences, the ins and outs of having ashes in your home and how difficult it is to say "ash spreading."

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We talk about our memorial tattoos and all the ups, downs, cringe, love, respect and questionable heritage those pieces of art bring up.

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