In this episode, we’re talking burnout—how to spot it, why it sneaks up on us, and what happens when the hustle becomes too heavy. We share our own crispy moments, play a round of Burnout Bingo, and get honest about what it means to run on empty as women, business owners, and humans. If you’ve ever said “I’m fine” through gritted teeth, this one’s for you.

In this episode, Calley and Kati spill the tea on navigating small business chaos—from accidental cat ownership (yes, really) to being over-caffeinated and under-rested while still showing up for our dreams.

We’re talking messy mornings, surprise building “features” (hello, floor hole), and the Daydream Project Event we attended that reminded us to be who we came to be. It’s the perfect mix of ridiculous and real—because running a business isn’t always boss-babe glam… sometimes it’s bandaids, Jamba Juice, and feral cats.

"Be who you came to be" - Tara Renze, Author and Speaker

In this episode of Second Cup Sessions, Kati and Calley unpack the unique perspectives of being on both sides of the wholesale equation — one as a maker selling her goods, the other as a retailer sourcing them. They dive into the differences, the challenges, and the magic that happens when makers and shop owners build strong, collaborative relationships. Whether you're crafting your products or curating a storefront, this honest convo is full of insights, laughs, and reminders that we’re all better when we support each other.