One pitch. One catcher’s mitt in A-Rod’s face. And a photograph Red Sox fans would hang on their walls forever.

My friend Joon Lee joins REAL DEAL to relive the 2004 brawl between Jason Varitek and Alex Rodriguez, a moment I’ve spent more than two decades trying not to watch. We go back to the pitch from Bronson Arroyo, the benches clearing, and everything underneath it: A-Rod trying to find his place on Derek Jeter’s team, Boston refusing to back down, and a rivalry ready to boil over.

Then we put Joon’s case to the test. Was this fight really a bigger turning point than Dave Roberts’ steal, David Ortiz’s heroics or Curt Schilling’s bloody sock? And did Boston finally beating New York help change the very thing that made the rivalry special?

That brings us to a harder question: What happened to the Red Sox? Joon explains his criticism of John Henry and ownership, from trading Mookie Betts to treating Fenway like a tourist attraction, and why his concern goes beyond wins and losses. It’s about what happens to a city when the team that brings people together gives its fans fewer reasons to care.

Welcome to Episode 025 of REAL DEAL! I’m Tony Reali, and I’m so happy you’re here.

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One throw. One catch. A baseball in Anthony Rizzo’s back pocket. And 108 years of waiting, finally over.

My friend Sarah Spain joins REAL DEAL to relive the Cubs’ 2016 World Series win, ten years after she was there for every game. We go back to the Rajai Davis home run that made the worst seem possible, the rain delay, and the final out that still brings it all back.

Sarah also tells the story of a night in Cleveland after Game 6 with Bill Murray, Eddie Vedder, John Cusack and Chris Chelios. We get into Eddie delivering Cubs news straight from Theo Epstein, “momentum mai tais,” and a rain-delay proposal that could have pushed Game 7’s finish to the next night.

But what stays with me is Sarah’s gratitude: for being there, for sharing it with people she loves, and for getting to experience something generations of Cubs fans never got to see.

Welcome to Episode 024 of REAL DEAL! I’m Tony Reali, and I’m so happy you’re here.

00:00 The throw that ended 108 years

00:53 A friendship episode with Sarah Spain

04:08 What happens when the Cubs finally win?

09:23 Simply Irresistible: 108 years of waiting

11:54 Remembering the feelings, not the box score

13:20 The Wrigleyville sign, Game 7 tickets and staying hopeful

21:02 Rewatching Game 7 and the Cubs’ clubhouse stories

23:14 Dexter Fowler’s dream start

24:29 David Ross and a team built for the moment

29:03 A wild night with Bill Murray and Eddie Vedder

31:53 Eddie Vedder delivers the Schwarber news

34:23 Rajai Davis, LeBron and the Game 7 gut punch

40:04 The rain-delay proposal Tony can’t believe

42:15 Call It: the Cubs’ final out

44:33 Bryant’s grimace and Rizzo’s back-pocket move

47:13 Blind Food Chain: who deserves the most credit?

53:52 Sarah’s personalized Cubs phone case

54:16 Sarah Spain calls the final out as Eddie Vedder

55:20 Tony’s final thought: gratitude, not revenge

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Kornheiser. Wilbon. Stat Boy. One more game.

The PTI reunion continues as Tony Reali brings back Food Chain with Tony Kornheiser and Mike Wilbon to rank the greatest TV duos of all time. From Siskel and Ebert to Madden and Summerall, Muhammad Ali and Howard Cosell to the guys doing the ranking, everybody has a case. And Kornheiser would very much like to go home.

Then, Tony takes you behind the reunion, answers your comments and shares what it felt like to pick up right where they left off. There’s a perfectly reasonable explanation for the Stat Boy stool, the story behind Wilbon’s colorful language, and a little more on the friendship that keeps Kornheiser and Wilbon talking even when the cameras are off.

Finally, Tony ranks PTI’s games, from Good Cop, Bad Cop and Oddsmakers to Food Chain and Role Play. Which ones worked? Which ones didn’t? And how did an enormous cutout of Shaq’s big toe become part of the show?

Twenty-five years of arguments, friendship and finding ways to make each other laugh. That’s worth a little more time. Even if Kornheiser disagrees.

Welcome to Episode 023 of REAL DEAL! I’m Tony Reali, and I’m so happy you’re here.

00:00 Kornheiser would like to go home

00:13 PTI reunion, Part 2

01:03 Food Chain returns: Ranking TV’s greatest duos

03:00 Muhammad Ali, Howard Cosell and an unforgettable insult

04:33 Where do Kornheiser and Wilbon belong?

06:02 How Siskel and Ebert showed them what was possible

08:05 Welcome to REAL DEAL

09:02 About that Stat Boy stool…

10:15 Being a kid again around Kornheiser and Wilbon

11:38 Simply Irresistible: How many games has PTI played?

12:29 Mail Time: Hearing Wilbon swear

13:52 Growing up with PTI

16:12 What Tony hoped to learn about their friendship

18:38 A correction for Stat Boy

19:37 Why Kornheiser and Wilbon still matter

21:32 An Around the Horn reunion?

23:05 Ranking PTI’s games

24:33 Fortune Teller, Time Machine and the games that didn’t last

25:29 Word Up! and Oddsmakers

26:24 Food Chain vs. Role Play

28:48 Coming next: Sarah Spain and the Cubs’ World Series win

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Tony Kornheiser. Mike Wilbon. And the kid they called Stat Boy. Back together, with a few things to clear up.

Before Pardon the Interruption, there was press row. Typewriters. Deadlines. A Washington Post newsroom full of extraordinary writers who could argue about anything and make each other laugh doing it. Kornheiser and Wilbon spent years in that world before anyone put a television camera in front of them. I wanted to know how their friendship began. They wanted me to stop trying to turn it into a screenplay.

As PTI turns 25, I’m back with two people who helped shape my life, revisiting the stories they’ve been telling for as long as I’ve known them. We go back to the 1988 Olympics, a knockout Wilbon saw coming and Kornheiser didn’t, and the Marvin Gaye national anthem that Tony decided was more important than the All-Star Game itself. There’s also the night Mike slipped away from his own engagement party to shoot a television pilot. Tony was supposed to help cover for him. You can imagine how that went.

Then there’s PTI: why Tony thought it would be off the air in three weeks, why they let a 22-year-old correct them on television, and what they make of the sports debate industry today. Through all of it, they keep coming back to the work, the newsroom and the people who made them better. After 25 years on television, they still describe themselves the same way: newspaper sportswriters.

They also reveal that they rarely go more than two days without calling each other. Usually because they’re watching the same game and have something to say. Naturally, I have one more question: If PTI ended tomorrow, would you two actually see each other?

Welcome to Episode 022 of REAL DEAL! I’m Tony Reali, and I’m so happy you’re here.

03:50 Before PTI, there was the newsroom

05:01 REAL DEAL, Stat Boy and the nickname dispute

06:21 Kornheiser and Wilbon’s old photos

08:40 The 1988 Olympics and the knockout Wilbon saw coming

10:48 The Great Wall, a flight home and a face in the soup

13:46 Simply Irresistible: Their Washington Post bylines

15:10 Is PTI an old married couple?

16:37 How did Kornheiser and Wilbon actually become friends?

19:37 The Washington Post newsroom that shaped them

22:55 Do they hang out? Have they ever really fought?

26:48 Sharing the spotlight and welcoming Stat Boy

27:43 Why PTI let a 22-year-old correct its hosts

31:05 Marvin Gaye’s anthem and Kornheiser’s column

32:54 Why Kornheiser thought PTI wouldn’t last

35:27 Wilbon left his engagement party to shoot a TV pilot

37:14 “We are newspaper sportswriters”

38:48 Kornheiser’s clock and Wilbon’s arrival time

40:06 The phone calls that never stopped

41:23 Darko, LeBron and getting predictions wrong

43:12 PTI, hot takes and the state of sports debate

46:14 Fatherhood, grandfatherhood and who’s gotten angrier

48:11 “It’s not my world”: Getting older as everything changes

49:47 If PTI ended tomorrow, would they still see each other?

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Bases loaded. Two outs. Game 7. Carlos Beltran at the plate, with a trip to the World Series still within reach. Adam Wainwright throws a curveball, Beltran never swings, and an entire stadium goes silent.

Twenty years later, Mets fans are still looking at that pitch. And looking for someone to blame.

Frank “the Tank” Fleming joins me to relive the final out of the 2006 NLCS, and if you think you know what he’s going to say about Beltran, you might want to hear him out. We watch the at-bat, revisit Endy Chavez’s incredible catch, and get into the missed opportunity Frank thinks really cost the Mets the game. For a man with a list of his most hated Mets, he has a surprising amount of understanding for the guy who kept the bat on his shoulder.

Then we climb the Mets misery ladder. Tom Glavine and the 2007 collapse. Kenny Rogers walking in the winning run. Luis Castillo dropping the pop-up that sent Frank’s kitchen table flying. Matt Harvey going back out for the ninth. And yes, Frank has thoughts about letting Pete Alonso walk.

But we also talk about the kid who carried the burden of the Mets’ 1988 NLCS loss for years, the life Frank has built around being a fan, and whether he would trade any of it to make the frustration go away.

Welcome to Episode 021 of REAL DEAL! I’m Tony Reali, and I’m so happy you’re here.

00:00 Intro

01:34 Carlos Beltran caught looking

02:34 Frank the Tank joins REAL DEAL

03:16 Where Frank watched Game 7

04:40 The injuries that changed the 2006 Mets

06:09 Simply Irresistible: Wainwright’s curveball

08:32 The other side of the story: Wainwright and Molina

10:08 Endy Chavez’s catch and the opportunity the Mets wasted

12:01 Why wasn’t Billy Wagner pitching the ninth?

15:25 Bases loaded, two outs, Beltran at the plate

17:27 Rewatching Beltran’s final at-bat

18:39 Why Frank doesn’t blame Beltran

19:15 Beltran, Gary Carter and retiring Mets numbers

22:08 A great pitch or a hitter choking?

22:47 Piazza, Clemens and the 2000 World Series

25:32 Frank on Mets fandom: “I’m beyond anger”

26:50 Why letting Pete Alonso walk infuriates Frank

28:20 The Mets misery ladder

29:17 Tom Glavine and the 2007 collapse

30:39 Was sending Matt Harvey back out the right call?

31:20 Kenny Rogers walks in the winning run

32:24 Luis Castillo’s dropped pop-up and Frank’s flipped table

33:27 Trading Tom Seaver and the Generation K disappointment

35:46 Frank called the Pete Crow-Armstrong trade

36:30 Pete Alonso, “Pink Pony Club” and Edwin Diaz

37:09 The childhood Mets loss that still hurts

39:18 Would Frank trade away his Mets fandom?

40:16 Frank’s wish for Edwin Diaz and the Dodgers

41:08 How Frank’s life and relationship with sports have changed

42:31 Frank’s weight loss and feeling better at 50

43:30 Frank’s REAL DEAL gift

43:45 Tony’s final thought: Who gets the blame?

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February 4, 2018. Fourth and goal. Thirty-eight seconds before halftime. Nick Foles walks over to Doug Pederson and asks, “You want Philly Philly?” His proposal: let a tight end throw a touchdown pass to a backup quarterback who has never caught a ball in his NFL career. In the Super Bowl. Against Bill Belichick. Pederson stares at him for 2.23 seconds. Then he says yes.

The great Peter King joins me to relive the Philly Special and the little details that made something so preposterous possible. Why Foles couldn’t smile in the huddle. Why Trey Burton had to keep his glove on. And why Foles turned down $150,000 before playing the greatest game of his life. Tom Brady threw for 505 yards that night. Nick Foles went home with the trophy. Eventually, even Mick Jagger had something to say about it.

Peter’s new book, THE GAME, which is out today, brings together stories from 40 years covering the NFL, and we get into a few more of them: Peyton Manning’s tanning-bed preparation for the combine, the inside help Dak Prescott got before his Cowboys interview, and the quarterback San Francisco picked instead of Tom Brady who became an actual goat farmer. Plus, Peter makes his case for the perfect football career. Brady? Manning? Madden? His answer might surprise you.

Welcome to Episode 020 of REAL DEAL! I’m Tony Reali, and I’m so happy you’re here.

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0:00 The Philly Special
0:52 Peter King joins REAL DEAL
2:11 Why this play still amazes Peter
4:35 Doug Pederson’s 2.23-second decision
7:24 Don’t smile. Don’t take off the glove.
9:26 How the Eagles fooled the Patriots
11:04 Nick Foles’ focus and the $150,000 he turned down
13:55 Mick Jagger’s shoutout to Nick Foles
15:44 How the NFL became a year-round obsession
18:17 Peter’s case against an 18th game
20:12 The trust between quarterback and coach
22:58 Mahomes and Reid vs. Brady and Belichick
24:26 What fans don’t know about the NFL
26:46 Story time: Picking up Boomer Esiason
27:59 Peyton Manning’s bizarre combine preparation
29:33 How Dak Prescott got the answers to the test
31:00 The 49ers picked a future goat farmer over Tom Brady
32:53 The Seahawks’ prank on Marshawn Lynch
34:22 Peter’s favorite story: Paul Tagliabue after 9/11
37:53 Who had the perfect football career?
42:03 Peter’s Philly Special gift
43:18 Tony’s final thought on Peter King

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Fifteen strikeouts. A playoff win. And a strike zone that still makes you wonder what, exactly, you’re watching.

Let’s go back to Game 5 of the 1997 NLCS. Livan Hernandez is on the mound for the Florida Marlins, Greg Maddux is pitching for the Atlanta Braves, and Eric Gregg is behind home plate. As the game goes on, pitches outside become strikes, Braves hitters start swinging at balls they can barely reach, and Hernandez finishes with 15 strikeouts. Then comes the final pitch to Fred McGriff. Watch it and tell me: HOW is that a strike?

Joey Duffield from Baseball Doesn’t Exist joins me to relive one of the most baffling games in baseball history. We watch the calls, debate how much credit Hernandez deserves, and argue over whether the Braves choked or got absolutely hosed. Joey has some conspiracy theories. I have some objections.

Then we take on a bigger question: Is baseball actually better with mistakes? From Jeffrey Maier’s catch to Armando Galarraga’s stolen perfect game and George Brett’s pine tar eruption, we revisit the calls that got it wrong and gave us stories we’ll never forget.

Welcome to Episode 019 of REAL DEAL! I’m Tony Reali, and I’m so happy you’re here.

Were the Braves robbed? And which blown call in baseball history still bothers you? Tell us in the comments.

00:00 Intro
01:34 The Pitch That Still Makes No Sense
02:34 Joey Duffield from Baseball Doesn’t Exist Joins
03:57 Setting the Scene: The 1997 NLCS
04:38 The Numbers Behind Livan Hernandez’s 15 Strikeouts
07:33 Growing Up a Braves Fan
10:47 Rewatching the Infamous Eric Gregg Game
12:58 Eric Gregg’s Strike Zone and Career Fallout
14:00 Can an Umpire Have His Own Strike Zone?
15:04 The Theories Behind the Eric Gregg Game
18:14 How Much Credit Does Livan Hernandez Deserve?
20:07 Why Didn’t the Braves Argue More?
21:32 Were the Braves Robbed?
23:26 The Braves Dynasty That Could Have Been
28:05 Is Baseball Better with Mistakes?
28:20 Jeffrey Maier’s Controversial Catch
29:53 Armando Galarraga’s Stolen Perfect Game
32:05 Did Matt Holliday Touch Home Plate?
32:58 George Brett’s Pine Tar Eruption
34:33 Don Denkinger’s Blown World Series Call
35:59 Joey’s Final Verdict on Eric Gregg
37:18 Joey’s REAL DEAL Phone Case
37:42 Tony’s Final Take: Leaving Room for Human Error

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February 1, 2009. The Steelers and Cardinals met at Raymond James Stadium for Super Bowl XLIII.

And just before halftime, James Harrison made history.

He picked off Kurt Warner at the goal line and rumbled 100 yards the other way for a touchdown. The longest pick-six ever. This is a man who looks like he cools down at the gym by deadlifting a Toyota Sequoia, but in the span of one play, Harrison looked both superhuman and human. He had just done something no one had ever done, on the sport's biggest stage, and needed an oxygen mask just to make it to the third quarter.

The Steelers won that night, and a 15-year-old Joey Mulinaro celebrated with a Steelers cookie cake, soaking in a memory that would forever be burned into his temporal lobe.

Now Joey joins me to relive the moment and remember the Pittsburgh legends who made it happen.

Welcome to Episode 018 of REAL DEAL! I’m Tony Reali, and I’m so happy you’re here.

00:00 James Harrison's legendary 100-yard pick six

00:54 Joey Molinaro joins REAL DEAL

03:43 Joey remembers watching Super Bowl XLIII

07:20 Simply Irresistible: How long did Harrison's return take?

10:28 Remembering the 2008 Steelers

15:28 Rewatching James Harrison's pick six

20:09 Harrison makes the interception

23:02 How did Harrison actually make it 100 yards?

27:28 The massive Super Bowl swing

30:33 What if Harrison never makes the play?

34:00 Who is the ultimate "Steelers Steeler"?

45:27 Joey Molinaro calls the play as Gus Johnson

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