Cliff sits down for a live Q&A and answers two hours of questions from the audience and membership group — recoil and cartridge selection for elk, the case for a "two-rifle" system (a low-recoil trainer and a hunting rifle), why most North American hunters under-rate predator hunting, how to scout migration corridors in May and June for fall success, the realities of bow hunting in Africa, moon phase myths, and a long, honest answer on why he hunts at all.

In this episode:

• The two-rifle system: when to shoot a 6 Creedmoor and when to shoot a 7 PRC
• How to scout fall migration corridors RIGHT NOW (May–June)
• First rifle Colorado elk: tarp, rain gear, or both
• Bow hunting Africa — what most outfitters won't tell you
• Why wolves and non-traditional lion hunts build the best hunters
• Bear meat: spring vs. fall, and why bear fat is the real prize
• The one question Cliff almost couldn't answer: why do I hunt?

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Most hunters think wolves can be managed like any other predator. The data says otherwise. In this episode, I sit down with Justin Webb, founder of the Foundation for Wildlife Management (F4WM), to dig into the unfiltered reality of wolf control in the West... what works, what doesn't, and why the "predator-prey balance" we all learned as kids isn't how this actually plays out on the landscape.

In this episode:

• Why hunter success rate on wolves is under 0.25% — and what that means for "managing" them
• The story of a pack that dug every trap out of the ground after smelling wax sand on a caught wolf
• How F4WM removes wolves at $1,100 vs. $9,000 per wolf for state Wildlife Services
• Suitable habitat, livestock depredation, and why Colorado's wolf situation was predicted years ago
• How sportsmen can actually plug into wolf management instead of just complaining about it

Mentioned:
F4WM Membership & Banquets — https://f4wm.org
Wolfer Summit (Aug 6–9, Coeur d'Alene, ID) — https://f4wm.org/events/annual-wolfer-summit/
Justin's Wolf Trapping Master Class — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGCLbkDpqis

F4WM Instagram https://www.instagram.com/f4wm_wolf_management/

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In this episode, Jurgen Schwanecke and Cliff break down how hunting in New Zealand actually works, from public land access to species like tahr and chamois, and what makes it so different from hunting in the U.S. We also get into the realities—terrain, weather, physical demands, and why success isn’t guaranteed just because opportunity exists.

Jurgen also talks about culling work and the skills that come from shooting a high volume of animals in real-world conditions.

00:00 — Why New Zealand Might Be the Best Hunting Country
01:24 — How New Zealand Got Its Game Animals (1850s Origins)
11:30 — Jurgen's Background Guiding the Flat Tops in Colorado
13:25 — Conservation Culture Clash: Anti-Hunters in NZ vs. the US
16:37 — How New Zealand's Hunting System Actually Works (Tags, Seasons, Land)
21:05 — Bringing Firearms In: NZ Gun Laws After the 2019 Shooting
23:56 — DIY in NZ vs. Over-the-Counter Elk in Colorado: Which Is Harder?
27:25 — Fitness, Terrain, and Why NZ Rewards Going Deep
30:03 — If You Only Hunt Once: Why Tahr Should Be the Trip
32:35 — Red Stag vs. Elk: Calls, Behavior, and Tactics
34:17 — Bowhunting Culture in New Zealand
36:14 — Using NZ as an Off-Season Practice Ground for American Hunters
39:43 — Bringing Trophies and Meat Home
41:03 — Cultural Norms Americans Should Know Before Hunting NZ
47:25 — Jurgen's Culling Work: Goats, Deer, and Night Shooting
50:29 — Lessons From Killing Thousands: Shooting Positions and Setups
55:25 — The .223 as a Serious Hunting Cartridge
58:26 — Terminal Performance: .223 vs .308 vs .270
1:01:31 — Shoulder vs. Crease: The Big American/Kiwi Shot Placement Debate
1:10:18 — Why Jurgen Hunts With a .270 Winchester
1:12:05 — Gear Differences: What Kiwis Carry vs. What Americans Pack
1:15:44 — Jurgen's Guiding Operation: Public Land Wilderness Hunts
1:18:34 — Planning Your NZ Trip: Trip Length and Helicopter Access
1:22:42 — Where to Find Jurgen Online & Sign-Off

Jurgen Schwanecke’s youtube and instagram
https://www.youtube.com/@strider_media
https://www.instagram.com/strider_media/

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