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Navigating the Gray

Navigating the Gray

By: Pat Fenner/Kimberly Scott
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Navigating the Gray is a space for honest, compassionate conversations about gray divorce and the impact it has on adult children and families. Hosted by a mother who has experienced a later-life divorce and a daughter who walked through it as an adult child, this podcast offers two perspectives on one deeply personal journey. Together, they explore the questions many families are quietly asking: How do we move forward when everything feels divided? How do we stay connected without taking sides? And how do we begin to heal what’s been broken? Through real conversations and practical insight, you’ll find encouragement, understanding, and tools to help you navigate changing relationships, set healthy boundaries, and move forward with intention. If your family has been touched by gray divorce, you’re not alone—and it's time to move forward!Copyright 2026 Pat Fenner/Kimberly Scott Hygiene & Healthy Living Parenting & Families Psychology Psychology & Mental Health Relationships Social Sciences
Episodes
  • NTG Live! What Happens When Both Sides of the Story Come Together?
    18 Oct 2026
    NTG Live! What Happens When Both Sides of the Story Come Together?

    What happens when divorced parents and their adult children have the opportunity to hear the other side of the family story—without blame, judgment, or the pressure to fix everything?

    In this special bonus episode, Pat and Kimberly give you a sneak peek at NTG Live!, our upcoming in-person experience in Decatur, Georgia, on November 1st.

    We're bringing the conversations we've started on the podcast into the same room, creating opportunities for fresh perspectives, meaningful connections, and new possibilities for moving forward.

    Here's what you can look forward to:

    • Honest conversations from both sides of gray divorce
    • Small-group discussions with other divorced parents or adult children
    • A special Rewriting Your Story session with guest Adam Olenn
    • Guided reflection and opportunities for those wonderful "aha!" moments
    • Practical takeaways to help you approach your next chapter with greater clarity and confidence
    • A welcoming community where you can come with someone—or arrive on your own and find people who understand

    Sunday, November 1, 2026 | 1–5 PM

    Holiday Inn Express | Decatur, Georgia

    Bring a family member, a friend, or just yourself! Our special Come Together pricing makes it easier to share the experience with someone important to you.

    Seating is limited, so reserve your place today!

    Questions? Leave them on our Speakpipe

    Register here: https://navigatingthegray.online/ntglive

    Because your family story isn't over. And sometimes, seeing it through another person's eyes opens up possibilities you never imagined.

    Hope and healing are possible, even in the gray.

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    16 min
  • 18-Navigating the Line Between Caring and Carrying
    14 Oct 2026

    When does caring for a parent become carrying their emotional weight?

    After a gray divorce, that line can get surprisingly blurry. Adult children love their parents, understand the family history, and may naturally become a source of support. And parents—often without realizing it—may begin leaning on them more heavily.

    In this episode of Navigating the Gray, Pat and Kimberly explore what happens when adult children become emotional caregivers, how these patterns can develop without anyone intending them to, and how both parents and adult children can create healthier boundaries without sacrificing closeness.

    Because stepping back doesn't have to mean walking away.

    In This Episode
    • Why adult children can naturally become emotional caregivers after gray divorce
    • How parents may unintentionally begin relying too heavily on their children
    • The difference between sharing emotions and making someone responsible for them
    • How counseling can help uncover patterns we don't recognize ourselves
    • Why boundaries may need to evolve as situations change
    • The “power of the pause” when a conversation feels emotional or triggering
    • How to support someone without feeling responsible for fixing them
    • A simple exercise for recognizing what's yours to carry—and what isn't

    Two Things Can Be True

    You can care about someone without carrying their problem.

    You can love someone without rescuing them.

    You can support someone without becoming responsible for their healing.

    And recognizing that something isn't yours to fix doesn't mean you don't care.

    Something to Think About

    Have you ever realized you became the emotional caretaker in your family?

    What helped you recognize that some of the weight you were carrying wasn't yours to carry?

    We'd love to hear your thoughts. Use the SpeakPipe link to share your experience. Your story may encourage someone else walking a similar path.

    This Week's Affirmation

    I can lead with love without abandoning myself.

    Love does not require rescue, and support does not require self-sacrifice. Sometimes one of the greatest gifts we can give our family is allowing everyone—including ourselves—to own their own healing.

    Free Resources

    Whether you're navigating gray divorce yourself or you're an adult child of divorce, we've created free guides to help you move forward with greater clarity and confidence.

    📘 For Divorced Parents: Post-Gray Divorce Recovery Guide

    📗 For Adult Children of Divorce: Healing & Relationship Guide

    Join Us at NTG Live!

    Join Pat and Kimberly on November 1 for Navigating the Gray Live!—an honest, in-person conversation about new perspectives, stronger relationships, and creating a bolder vision for what comes next.

    Space is limited.

    For more info and registration: navigatingthegray.online/ntglive

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    25 min
  • 17-Navigating the Holidays After a Gray Divorce
    30 Sep 2026

    The holidays have a way of magnifying whatever is already happening in a family.

    Traditions carry memories. Invitations can carry expectations. And a seemingly simple question like “Where are you spending Thanksgiving?” can suddenly feel like it means much more than where you'll be eating turkey.

    In this episode of Navigating the Gray, Pat and Kimberly talk about navigating the holidays after a gray divorce—from both the divorced-parent and adult-child perspectives.

    Because even years after the divorce is final, the holidays can bring up questions about belonging, loyalty, changing traditions, new partners, divided time, and who's responsible for making sure everyone is okay.

    And sometimes the most freeing realization is this:

    A holiday can look different without being less meaningful.

    In This Episode, We Talk About:
    • Why holidays can magnify family dynamics that are manageable during the rest of the year
    • Why traditions can feel like much more than traditions after divorce
    • The pressure adult children can feel to divide their time “fairly”
    • How spouses, partners, children, in-laws, and new family relationships make the holiday equation even more complicated
    • Why new partners can create very different feelings for parents and adult children
    • Giving ourselves permission to keep some traditions, change others, and let a few go
    • Why “different” doesn't automatically mean “less than”
    • The value of having holiday conversations before emotions and expectations collide
    • Why asking instead of assuming can change the tone of the entire conversation

    Two Things Can Be True

    One of the recurring themes in our conversations at Navigating the Gray is that family relationships rarely fit neatly into either/or categories.

    The holidays are a perfect example.

    You can love your parent and dread going to their house.

    A parent can feel lonely and their adult child can choose to spend Christmas somewhere else.

    You can miss the holidays your family once had and genuinely enjoy the traditions you're creating now.

    You can welcome a parent's new partner without seeing that person as a replacement for your other parent.

    Sometimes navigating the gray means allowing both things to be true.

    Keep the Conversation Going

    We're definitely not finished with this topic.

    We're continuing the conversation during our next FREE Navigating the Gray Zoom conversation: Navigating the Holidays.

    The podcast gives us a chance to introduce some of the challenges and possibilities. During the Zoom, we're going deeper.

    We'll explore what parents and adult children wish the other understood, the expectations we may be carrying into the holidays, the feelings we sometimes take responsibility for, and how we can approach familiar holiday situations differently.

    And because this is Navigating the Gray, you'll have the opportunity to hear from people standing on both sides of the family story.

    Bring your experiences. Bring your questions. And yes—bring the holiday situation you're already wondering how you're going to handle.

    Thursday, October 8, 2026 | 7pm Eastern

    Register here: https://bit.ly/4AoGcvF

    A Question to Take With You

    Before the holiday plans, invitations, travel schedules, meals and traditions take over, ask yourself:

    If nobody had to recreate the past—and nobody had to manage anyone else's feelings—what could a really good holiday look like now?

    Different doesn't have to mean broken.

    Sometimes different is simply the beginning of a new tradition.

    Free Resources

    Whether you're navigating gray divorce yourself or you're an adult child of divorce, we've created free guides to help you move forward with greater clarity and confidence.

    📘 For Divorced Parents: Post-Gray Divorce Recovery Guide

    📗 For Adult Children of Divorce: Healing & Relationship Guide

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    29 min
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