“Can AI do this?” Adam Antony of Veo Building Co and WunderOps returns for part two of the conversation to break down how a builder, not a developer, is using AI to run a more profitable and less stressful construction business.

We take a look at some of the bigger questions we all have first: Is AI going to replace builders, why on-site trades are some of the safest jobs going, and what AI still can’t do without your context. Adam explains why the same prompt gives everyone the same generic answer until you feed it your own files and way of working, and we dig into how AI could cut red tape in council approvals. We also get into things that we don’t really understand like: vibe coding apps that solve no real problem, privacy and data fears, guardrails, API keys, and MCP’s.

Then we get into where AI saves builders real time and money, especially in pre-construction. Adam covers estimate reviews that catch missing items and $0 line items, chasing scopes and quotes, sales follow-ups, and why he removed himself from labour estimating so his VAs and past job data can do it with the facts. Matt shares how automation has taken him to a four-day work week, and we talk through what happens if AI token costs rise. Adam’s advice for getting started is to treat AI like a new employee, document your process as clear steps, and turn it into a skill, because an agent is really just a skill on a schedule.

We wrap up with WunderOps and WunderBuild. Adam explains why your business software needs to be your single source of truth, why costings are the heartbeat of every estimate and job, and how his two-day lock-in helps builders get set up without losing momentum. We also compare feasibility, budget and contract estimates, and why order-ready costings make site run smoother. If you want practical AI for construction, estimating and pre-construction workflows, this one is worth the listen.

There are a lot of things in this episode that we don’t fully understand even as the hosts, and that’s the whole point. You’re not expected to have AI all figured out and integrated, but it is a good time to start learning.

CHAPTER MARKERS

00:00 Introduction

01:41 AI Adopter, Not Wizard

03:31 Will AI Take Our Jobs

06:22 What AI Can’t Do Yet

09:53 AI And Council Red Tape

16:47 Privacy And Data Worries

19:33 API Keys And MCP Explained

25:12 AI Pricing Risk

33:19 The AI First Mindset

40:30 Skills And Agents Simplified

42:41 Best AI Tools Right Now For Tradies

45:39 WunderOps Single Source Of Truth

1:04:35 Feasibility, Budget, Contract Estimates

1:08:16 VAs And Labour Estimating

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“I had no idea about business.” Adam Antony says it plainly, and it lands because it’s honest. In this episode of The Mindful Builder, Adam breaks down the hard lessons that hit when you go from being a great carpenter to running a building business, where margin, cash flow, quoting, and systems matter just as much as what happens on site. If you’re a builder, carpenter, or construction business owner trying to build a profitable, sustainable business, this one will feel familiar.

Adam’s story starts in Goulburn, NSW, and it’s not a straight line. He came up through carpentry in a true start-to-finish environment, learning the sequence of a build because you’re responsible for it all. That mindset becomes the thread of the conversation, because Adam treats business the same way he treats building: there’s an order, there’s a flow, and if you do it out of order you pay for it later. It’s a practical chat about construction systems, leadership, and what it takes to run a tight operation.

After his apprenticeship, Adam took a left turn into real estate, spending a year door knocking and cold calling as a prospector. It taught him communication, resilience, and how to hear “no” without taking it personally, which matters more than people think when you’re selling building projects and managing client expectations. He then returned to building, got licensed in his late twenties, and stepped into a partnership that led to a major opportunity: a townhouse development that delivered a solid result, but exposed how easy it is to underprice labour, miss margin, and rely on “it’ll be fine” decision-making.

From there, the focus shifts to systems and structure. Adam shares how he rebuilt the business with clearer standards, better processes, and support that actually works because the foundations are solid, including the reality of using VAs in a building company. And just when they’re about to get into the “AI lord” chapter, Hamish tees up part two, where Adam’s move into AI, automation, and smarter workflows gets unpacked properly. If you’re interested in building business systems, construction estimating, and the future of AI in construction, you’ll want to catch the next episode.

00:00 Introduction

04:54 Carpentry Path and All Round Skills

07:43 Real Estate Detour and Sales Lessons

10:43 Builders License and Going Solo

12:47 First Big Partnership Project

14:39 Business Mistakes and Pricing Lessons

22:00 Starting a New Company

23:49 Fresh Start With Systems

25:28 Veo Team And Project Scale

28:45 Systems Thinking Explained

30:58 Making VAs Work

33:57 WunderBuild And AI Emails

35:12 Leading A Systems Culture

38:14 Passive House Motivation

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