Allison Hadley and Lucas Herren debate the Verity movie (Team Letter vs. Team Manuscript), break down the Elizabeth Holmes documentary You Can See Everything, and react to The Golden Life, the new E! show with the original Real Housewives of New York stars.

This week was heavy on movies and chaos. They disagree on how much the Theranos investors should have asked, and they land on the same side of the Verity debate when neither expected to. Along the way: Drake’s 40th birthday, a mail-in stool test, and what each of them would get arrested for.

Spoiler warning: the Verity discussion covers the full plot and ending.

In this episode:

• Verity movie: Team Letter vs. Team Manuscript, and why Jeremy is the villain either way
• You Can See Everything, the Elizabeth Holmes documentary with Nathan Fielder, and Billy Evans
• The Golden Life premiere on E! with Ramona, Luann, Sonja, Kelly, and Dorinda
• Drake’s 40th birthday party, cape and Backstreet Boys included
• Friend-group conversations: Cologuard, hemorrhoid myths, and who would win a fight
• Dancing with the Stars: double elimination preview

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