In this episode of Becoming Unshakable, I'm joined by my longtime friend Leo Tokar, President of Lockton's Colorado market, for a conversation about leadership, resilience, perspective, and what it takes to keep moving when things don't go according to plan.

Leo talks openly about the importance of having people around us who can challenge our thinking, give honest feedback, and help us regain perspective when pressure clouds our judgment.

We also talk about the difference between being right and being effective. As leaders grow, technical expertise can only take them so far. Effectiveness often depends on how well we listen, how we respond to people, how we build trust, and whether we can adjust our approach to the situation in front of us.

Leo shares why growth often comes from discomfort. He has deliberately placed himself in roles and situations where he didn't have all the answers because those experiences forced him to learn, adapt, and grow.

But we also talk about the other side of that equation. Leaders cannot live permanently in a state of strain. Recovery matters. Reflection matters. Creating space to think, pause, and reset matters if we want to lead well over the long term.

This conversation reminds us that becoming unshakable doesn't mean never feeling pressure. It means learning how to steady yourself, draw on the people around you, and keep moving forward without losing sight of who you want to be as a leader.

What helps you stay grounded when the pressure starts to rise?