Do you have a creative project that you dream about but that never quite gets any time or attention? After all, after work there's not much energy, time or attention left.

You'll like Sheila's story.

During the day, Sheila Kazan creates programs and experiences designed to help teams thrive at Slack. She's really good at what she does. It's a demanding full-time role.

But, Sheila is a storyteller at heart. She's the creator and host of Small Talk with Sheila, where she explores the messy, funny, and very human parts of life. She produces a YouTube channel, podcast and more. Her commitment to this creative expression has caused her to better understand herself, build confidence and make a personal commitment not to quit.

Listen to hear more about building a creative life outside of work.

In the episode, I talk about (and recommend) The Perfectionists Guide to Losing Control, by Katherine Morgan Schafler.

YOUTUBE: @SmallTalkWithSheila

POD: Small Talk with Sheila (links to Spotify)

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EVOLUTION OR REVOLUTION is produced by Courtney Kaplan.

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Today's guest found a transformation after burnout and chronic illness.

From founding a groundbreaking incubator for musicians and artists in the Bay Area to finding her own healing and then becoming a Depth Hypnosis practitioner, Vinitha Watson finds her way.

Vinitha Watson is a certified Hypnotherapist, Depth Hypnosis Practitioner, and the Founder of Zoo Labs, an arts entrepreneurship organization dedicated to empowering people of color. With over two decades of experience, Vinitha has focused on helping individuals overcome internal obstacles, empowering them to heal and thrive, and creating transformative spaces for healers to deepen their own journeys.

Previously, she led a pioneering wellness initiative at Johns Hopkins Medical Residency, introducing wellness tools for medical doctors—a program that has since influenced residency programs nationwide. Vinitha integrates energy medicine, shamanic practices, Buddhist psychology, a degree in Sociology, and training in Psychology with South Indian knowledge systems. This unique perspective helps provide a safe, supportive space for her clients to explore their inner worlds, interpret subconscious patterns, and transform their suffering into greater awareness. Her mission is to help clients uncover the unseen, foster healing through deeper consciousness and understanding, and empower them to reclaim their own agency.

InnerAgency: Vinitha's healing practice

ZooLabs: supporting music creators – empowering them to fully own and expand their creative paths. We bridge the worlds of music and business by providing artist-tailored entrepreneurial training.

Sacred Stream: A School for Consciousness Studies in Berkeley, CA

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Jeremy Loughnot is the founder of Consilio, a search practice placing senior and founding designers at venture-backed companies. Before that he spent eleven years building design recruiting at Meta, where the design team went from twenty five people to more than three thousand. He now runs portfolio reviews for designers and writes about what the hiring market is actually asking for.

The Portfolio Guide: Reads 114 live design requisitions. Here is what they actually ask for, what you can already evidence, and the questions you will be asked about it. About four minutes, and nothing is stored.

Learn more about Consilio: A boutique design search practice. We work with VC-backed startups on Design: people managers, principal designers, and specialized hires like design engineering.

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EVOLUTION OR REVOLUTION is produced by Courtney Kaplan.

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