In the fifth episode of Endgame with Fintan O’Toole, the poet and novelist Ben Lerner speaks with O’Toole about his latest novel, Transcription. The novel’s concern with the human voice and the technologies that reproduce it—or fail to do so—leads O’Toole and Lerner to discuss the screen-mediated experience of the pandemic, the tradition of literary mentorships, the ways that human voices are embedded in historical memory, and the uncanny sublime of “Zoom funerals” and “remote learning.”

Ben Lerner is the author of nine books of poetry and prose as well as several collaborations with visual artists. His honors include fellowships from the Guggenheim Foundation and the MacArthur Foundation, and his latest novel, Transcription, received the 2026 George Orwell Prize for Political Fiction. His recent essay for the Review, “Cardiography,” was included in The Best American Essays 2026. He is a Distinguished Professor of English at Brooklyn College.

Endgame with Fintan O'Toole is a New York Review podcast. Our theme music is "Political World" by Bob Dylan, courtesy of Universal Music Publishing Group and Sony Music Entertainment. Our show art is designed by Jason Logan. And our producer is Erica Getto.

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The fourth episode of Endgame with Fintan O'Toole welcomes the Holocaust historian Christopher Browning, whose most recent essay for the Review, "Surely Not?," considers how an actual "Manchurian candidate" in the White House would never dare to be as radical and widely destructive as Donald Trump has in fact been. Acknowledging the risks and limitations of comparing Trump (and Trumpism) to Hitler (and Nazi ideology), O'Toole and Browning explore the parallels and differences between these two leaders. Trump's embrace of war as a fascist-style tactic, which has helped him seize control of a more traditional establishment, may be his most consequential point of similarity to Hitler, and democracy in the US is in a race against time.

Christopher Browning's nine books include Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland (1992) and The Origins of the Final Solution: The Evolution of Nazi Jewish Policy, September 1939–March 1942 (2004). He has written some two dozen articles for the Review since 2012, including on István Deák's Europe on Trial and Götz Aly's Why the Germans? Why the Jews? Envy, Race Hatred, and the Prehistory of the Holocaust. He is the Frank Porter Graham Professor of History Emeritus at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

Endgame with Fintan O'Toole is a New York Review podcast. Our theme music is "Political World" by Bob Dylan, courtesy of Universal Music Publishing Group and Sony Music Entertainment. Our show art is designed by Jason Logan. And our producer is Erica Getto.

New episodes drop every Tuesday across podcast platforms and at YouTube.com/@nybooks. For more, head to nybooks.com.

In the third episode of Endgame with Fintan O'Toole, the historian Jean Strouse discusses the parallels between our current American moment and the Gilded Age. She and O’Toole talk about the roots of our modern American institutions in the Gilded Age, when the country's business leaders imported cultural as well as financial capital, and relied greatly on migration. Looking at the origins of figures like J. Pierpont Morgan and Levi Strauss, Strouse examines how a kind of enlightened self-interest motivated the robber barons and industrial capitalists who set the course for much of the American twentieth century.

Jean Strouse is the author, most recently, of Family Romance: John Singer Sargent and the Wertheimers—about the painter's relationship to the family of Asher Wertheimer, a London art dealer who commissioned portraits of himself, his wife, and all ten of their children—as well as biographies of Alice James and J. Pierpont Morgan. She has written for the Review on subjects that range from Henry James to Sargent portraits to a late-life romance between Morgan and Lady Victoria Sackville to the Transatlantic cable. Strouse was the director of The New York Public Library's Cullman Center for Scholars and Writers from 2003 to 2017, and began her career at TNYRB, where she worked as editorial assistant to Robert B. Silvers right after graduating from Radcliffe College.