In this episode, we present the final transmission of live recordings from the exhibition program that accompanied Broken Boxes: A Decade of Art, Action, and Dialogue at the Albuquerque Museum. This live conversation between exhibition co-curators Ginger Dunnill and Josie Lopez took place on March 2, 2025, and served as the closing event for both the exhibition and its programming.

Josie Lopez is an independent art historian and curator. At the time of this conversation, she was the head curator at the Albuquerque Museum.

Ginger Dunnill is the creator and host of Broken Boxes podcast. Ginger is a producer, story archivist, curator, community organizer, sound artist and writer.

A note from Ginger Dunnill on the end of an era:

This episode also celebrates the end of the podcast portion of Broken Boxes as we’ve come to know it. I want to be clear—this work is not finished. It’s transforming.

This podcast, and the communities it has brought together, have deeply shaped my life and heart. I am forever grateful to be in conversation with so many creative thought leaders of our time. I’m still here with you all—and if you ever need me, just reach out.

I’ve recently been accepted into a creative nonfiction MFA program, where I’ll spend the next two years deepening my practice and exploring how my work can be used as a tool for radical archiving, while honing my voice as an artist.

The Broken Boxes podcast will remain accessible online for as long as I’m able to maintain it. I’ll also continue producing The Long Con series with Cannupa Hanska Luger and Sterlin Harjo on its own platform—so stay tuned for more on that project’s evolution.

And of course, Broken Boxes will carry on through underground music and performance events, and other small activations, both on- and offline. This work continues—it’s just taking new forms.

Since beginning this podcast, I’ve had the profound privilege of being in community with some of the most visionary artists of our time. My deepest respect and love goes to every creative mind who has contributed to this project. Your ideas continue to shape how we survive as artists and use our platforms for change.

To the many listeners who have grown with Broken Boxes: I’m with you. Thank you, always.

Here’s to breaking boxes—and building worlds.

I’ll see you in the streets!

This episode continues our series of live recordings from the exhibition program which accompanied Broken Boxes: A Decade of Art, Action, and Dialogue at the Albuquerque Museum.

This program took place on January 16th, 2025, with exhibiting artists Joseph M. Pierce and Christine Howard Sandoval, speaking to the theme of Movement, Memory, and Land.

Each artist began the conversation with remarks on their respective practices. After their introductions, the artists joined Broken Boxes exhibition co-curator Josie Lopez, and the dialogue expanded to explore deeper considerations around migration, memory, and land. Together, Joseph and Christine reflect on what it means to belong, and how their practices uncover and give voice to those stories.

Christine Howard Sandoval (b. 1975, Anaheim, CA) is an interdisciplinary artist who lives and works in the unceded territories of the Squamish, Tsleil-Waututh, and Musqueam First Nations. She is an Assistant Professor of Interdisciplinary Praxis in the Audain Faculty of Art at Emily Carr University (Vancouver, BC). Howard Sandoval is an enrolled member of the Chalon Nation in Bakersfield, CA. Howard Sandoval’s practice challenges the boundaries of representation, access, and habitation through the use of performance, video, and sculpture. She makes work about contested places, such as the historic Native and Hispanic waterways of northern New Mexico; the Gowanus Canal, a Superfund site in New York; and an interfacing suburban-wildland in Colorado. Howard Sandoval has exhibited nationally and internationally including: The Museum of Contemporary Art, University of São Paulo (Brazil), The Contemporary Art Gallery (Vancouver, BC), Oregon Contemporary (Portland, OR), The Museum of Capitalism (Oakland, CA), Designtransfer, Universität der Künste Berlin (Berlin, Germany), El Museo Del Barrio (New York, NY), and Socrates Sculpture Park (Queens, NY).

Joseph M. Pierce is Associate Professor in the Department of Hispanic Languages and Literature at Stony Brook University. His research focuses on the intersections of kinship, gender, sexuality, and race in Latin America, 19th century literature and culture, queer studies, Indigenous studies, and hemispheric approaches to citizenship and belonging. He is the author of Argentine Intimacies: Queer Kinship in an Age of Splendor, 1890-1910 (SUNY Press, 2019) and co-editor of Políticas del amor: Derechos sexuales y escrituras disidentes en el Cono Sur (Cuarto Propio, 2018) as well as the 2021 special issue of GLQ, “Queer/Cuir Américas: Translation, Decoloniality, and the Incommensurable.” His work has been published recently in Revista Hispánica Moderna, Critical Ethnic Studies, Latin American Research Review, and has also been featured in Indian Country Today. Along with SJ Norman (Koori, Wiradjuri descent) he is co-curator of the performance series Knowledge of Wounds. He is a citizen of the Cherokee Nation.

Broken Boxes: A Decade of Art, Action, and Dialogue, curated by Ginger Dunnill and Josie Lopez, features large-scale installation, sculpture, video, and a robust programming line-up celebrating the work and ideas of 23 artists who have contributed to Dunnill's Broken Boxes podcast. The exhibition celebrates ten years of the podcast of the same name and amplifies the collective strength of contemporary artists.

This live conversation features artists Gerald Clarke and Cannupa Hanska Luger and Desert X Co-curator Kaitlin Garcia-Maestas and took place March 29, 2025 at the Thompson Hotel in Palm Springs, CA as a part of the Desert X 2025 program.

This lively discussion between these two Indigenous artists unfolds reflections around land ownership, maintenance of culture and respect for place. Both Gerald and Cannupa have exhibited for Desert X, yet each chose different paths towards sharing their Indigenous views through their projects. Desert X Co-Curator Kaitlin Garcia-Maestas thoughtfully guides the conversation into deep considerations around what it means to create public art in an accessible way, where the audience is left to interpret the artist's ideas on their own terms and in their own time. As Desert X Artistic Director Neville Wakefield notes in the introduction to this conversation, “ Desert X operates on the legacy of Land Art, and one of the questions that legacy leaves unanswered is—‘whose land is it and what are our responsibilities to it?’.

Gerald Clarke is a visual artist, educator, tribal leader, and cultural practitioner whose family has lived in the Anza Valley for time immemorial. Gerald was a featured artist in Desert X 2023 and presented “Immersion”, a monumental artwork based on Cahuilla basket weaving knowledge while also embedding a game-like quality to the installation in order to educate our current generations on Indigenous knowledge and language of the region.

Cannupa Hanska Luger is a multi-disciplinary artist and recurring host for Broken Boxes Podcast. Cannupa is featured in Desert X 2025, presenting a multi-pronged project titled G.H.O.S.T. Ride (Generative Habitation Operating System Technology), an evolving speculative fiction project which includes a mobile art installation, a poetic billboard triptic, and a new short film building upon ideas from his Future Ancestral Technologies series.

Kaitlin Garcia-Maestas is Co-curator of Desert X 2025, on view March 8–May 11, 2025 at sites across the Coachella Valley, California. Garcia-Maestas is a part of the curatorial team under the leadership of Artistic Director Neville Wakefield and Executive Director Jenny Gil.