Who taught you how to love?

In Episode 5 of Two Things Can Be True, Kas and Lellies look back at the relationships they witnessed growing up—and how those experiences followed them into adulthood.

From watching parents argue and make up without ever really resolving the problem, to seeing cheating, sacrifice, single parenting and different versions of what “love” was supposed to look like, they unpack the lessons they kept…and the ones they had to unlearn.

Kas opens up about growing up believing you could do wrong in a relationship and somehow still work it out, while Lellies shares how watching her father navigate relationships shaped what she knew she DIDN’T want in a partner.

And when the conversation turns to their own relationship, they get honest about arguments, communication, stubbornness and realizing sometimes the fight isn't really about what you think it is.

Can you love someone without repeating the relationship patterns you grew up watching?

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00:00 – Love, Arguments & Making Up

00:59 – Kas & Lellies Are Engaged!

02:34 – Life Updates

05:13 – Learning to Let People Show Up for You

06:12 – The Birthday Surprise

08:02 – Career Wins & J. Cole

09:33 – Family, Culture & Meeting the Family

10:47 – What Is Love?

12:24 – Who Taught You How to Love?

13:25 – Losing a Mom & Learning Love From Dad

15:29 – The Love Kas Saw Growing Up

18:04 – Arguments, Sex & Toxic Love

20:43 – Watching Your Parents Date

21:32 – Searching for Love

22:51 – Did We Repeat What Our Parents Taught Us?

24:40 – Why Kas Thought Having Multiple Women Was Normal

25:38 – Lellies Admits She Used to Cheat

26:43 – The Good Things Our Parents Taught Us

30:37 – Watching Your Family Sacrifice

33:55 – A Father's Sacrifice

36:07 – Learning About Love From TV

37:31 – Unhealthy Love

40:22 – Are We Repeating the Same Patterns?

42:39 – The Argument That Was Really About Missing Each Other

44:10 – What Our Relationship Has Taught Us About Love

45:25 – Creating Your Own Rules for Love

47:40 – What Does a Healthy Relationship Look Like?

48:19 – Love Looks Different for Everybody

Kas and Lellies get personal about growth, ambition, sacrifice, and how relationships change when two people’s goals don’t always line up.

After celebrating Lellies’ career wins at Essence Fest, the conversation turns to how much they’ve both changed since they first met. From self-sabotage and learning to bet on yourself to becoming more patient, more confident, and more intentional, they reflect on the versions of themselves they’ve had to leave behind.

Then things get real: What happens when one person is ready to start a family while the other is still chasing career goals? Kas opens up about wanting another child, while Lellies explains why she still wants time to go hard for her career.

They also debate the sacrifices people make for love, whether you should relocate for your partner’s dream opportunity, whether long-distance relationships actually work, and one of the biggest questions of the episode: Do you have to be selfish to become successful?

Two perspectives. One relationship. Two Things Can Be True.

00:00 God Bless You: Lellies Is Changing

00:53 Welcome Back to Two Things Can Be True

01:19 Lellies’ Big Weekend at Essence Fest

03:01 From the Back Door to the Superdome

05:20 Self-Sabotage, Motivation & Needing Haters

06:20 Learning to Stop Breaking Yourself Down

08:22 Undersell and Overdeliver

09:58 What Have We Outgrown?

11:07 Stop Talking Yourself Out of Your Dreams

12:30 What Should Never Change About Us?

14:52 How Different Are We From When We Met?

17:29 Learning How to Be “Nice Nasty”

19:33 Growing and Changing in a Relationship

20:04 Have Our Goals Stopped Aligning?

20:16 Career vs. Starting a Family

23:22 When Two People Want Different Things

26:20 Are You Ever Really Ready for a Child?

29:37 What Have You Sacrificed for This Relationship?

32:29 Putting Your Career on Hold for Your Partner

33:44 The Dream Job Scenario: Who Should Compromise?

36:14 Can We Actually Do Long Distance?

37:34 Is Following Your Dreams Selfish?

40:00 Can Resentment Ruin the Sacrifice?

40:55 The Things We Do for Love

Kas and Lellies are talking about one of the trickiest parts of being in a relationship: your friends.

What happens when your partner doesn’t like one of your friends? Should your partner meet everyone in your circle? Can you have an opposite-sex best friend without crossing boundaries? And how much of your relationship business should you really be telling your friends?

Kas and Lellies get personal about their own friend groups, why they may actually be too close as a couple, friends knowing too much, respecting opposite-sex friendships, and whether you should tell your partner something that could completely change their happiness.

Then they close things out with quick-fire questions—including the big one: If your partner and your best friend don’t get along, who comes first?

Two perspectives. One relationship. Two Things Can Be True.

00:00 Welcome to Two Things Can Be True

00:30 Jay-Z, D’Ussé & the Concert Weekend

03:21 First Impressions of Each Other’s Friends

06:23 The Friends We Don’t Understand

08:44 The Friends We Appreciate

11:06 Can Your Partner Tell You Who to Be Friends With?

11:50 Boundaries With Opposite-Sex Friends

14:20 “Did Y’all Ever Hook Up?”

15:11 Balancing Friendship, Independence & Commitment

15:53 Are We Too Close as a Couple?

18:31 How Close Should Your Friends Be to Your Partner?

21:08 How Much Influence Should Friends Have?

21:48 Do You Tell Your Partner Your Friends’ Business?

23:12 Should Friends Influence Your Relationship?

24:12 The Secret You Might NOT Want to Know

26:12 Quick-Fire Relationship Questions

26:23 Should Your Partner Meet All Your Friends?

27:11 Should You Vent About Your Relationship?

27:29 Is Talking to a Friend Every Day Too Much?

27:49 Should Couples Have Separate Friend Groups?

27:56 Your Partner vs. Your Best Friend: Who Comes First?

28:49 Final Thoughts: Lovers AND Best Friends