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  • The Dark Forest

  • The Three-Body Problem, Book 2
  • De : Cixin Liu
  • Lu par : Bruno Roubicek
  • Durée : 23 h et 4 min
  • 4,6 out of 5 stars (42 notations)

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The Dark Forest

De : Cixin Liu
Lu par : Bruno Roubicek
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    Description

    The Trisolarian fleet has left their home world and will arrive in four centuries' time. But the Sophons and their extradimensional emissaries are already here. This is the motivation for the Wallfacer Project, a last-ditch defence that grants four individuals almost absolute power to design secret strategies, hidden through deceit and misdirection.

    Luo Ji, an unambitious Chinese astronomer, is baffled by his new status. All he knows is that he's the one Wallfacer that Trisolaris wants dead.

    ©2008 Cixin Liu (P)2016 W F Howes Ltd

    Commentaires

    "A milestone in Chinese science fiction." ( New York Times)
    "The best kind of science fiction." (Kim Stanley Robinson)

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      5 out of 5 stars
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    wonderful book but dark

    if you love SF it's a must have, love to see it in the cinema

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    What cliché propaganda looks like

    The good :
    - you get a glimpse inside how a Chinese author and human think, his values and how a big chunk of Chinese society views the world.
    - the author sometimes does have interestinf sci-fi ideas to offer.

    The bad :
    - however, those ideas are scarce.
    - The writing of the characters, their motivations, their psychology is simply stupid, week, utterly unbelievable.
    - both characters and a lot of plot points are cliché, and are not driven from the inside, but by ideology.
    - everything in this book is driven by ideology. It is even the main plot point, and one of the main characters is a political commissar. This work of fiction is not unlike some of the USSR literature. Do not expect any self reflection or criticism however, because there is none.
    - for misogyny is truly unbearable, as women are basically here to love, support and worship male heroes.

    My experience of this book went from being bored for the first chapters, and then watching in disbelief as people behave in the stupidest possible way, always in groupthink, and the author lectures us endlessly on ideology, never getting that not the whole world functions like China. That's how you get a projection of how he views the world on the rest of us.

    This is probably the only redeeming but involuntary aspect of this work that seems interesting to me : what it tells us about modern China, how they think, the underlying values of their society. It also makes you think about the same beliefs that shine through western science-fiction, which might look just as absurd to Chinese readers.
    I am thinking for instance of a constant insistence on individual freedom and brilliance.

    Here, the author views most humans as stupid children, and a few male heroes, all Chinese, are here to save the rest of us, if we are only smart enough to follow them.

    If you have a national logical interest in this book, it is a great read, if not I advise you read some actually original, smart, innovated, nonregressive science-fiction. There is a lot of that now, which is awesome !

    The audiobook was OK, and I had no complaints about it.

    • Global
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    Fantastic book !

    Fantastic book ! Can't wait for the next one. very technical and the story is still mysterical. very different from the first book of the trilogy as well.

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    • Æ Mann
    • 20/11/2017

    One of the best I've ever read

    This is second time I've read this book. It's truly mind-boggling, scary, amazing. Love it

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    • vlo
    • 10/02/2017

    Forces you to reflect

    A great piece of work that forces you to reflect about humanity, science, space and all of it.

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    • Global
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    • Cameron D. Warner
    • 14/09/2023

    Amazing

    Like all great books, it is a little slow at first. But it surpasses the Three Body Problem in the end. Also- much better oral performance. Names and places are actually pronounced correctly!

    • Global
      3 out of 5 stars
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    • Amazon Customer
    • 09/07/2023

    Inferior to The Three Body Problem.

    Not as good as previous book.
    This version's chapters began and ended at the wrong place which was irritating for an audiobook.
    Narrator was ok.
    Story was ok.
    Payoff at the end was decent.

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      4 out of 5 stars
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    • gglobus
    • 03/07/2023

    Take a while to get good

    Otherwise fine, no complaints. Would recommend as a book that can be read and enjoyed

    • Global
      5 out of 5 stars
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    • Petri V.
    • 17/02/2023

    Enjoyable mid-point of the trilogy

    Really writing this from the perspective of the whole trilogy.
    The story starts few decades in the past in the first book, builds and goes very far until the end of the 3rd.
    This is the kind of story where it is best enjoyed when you know as little as possible about it before-hand.
    There are imaginary, but plausible twists and the whole story is very cleverly written.

    In this book the story is at full speed and you know that there is still one more to come.

    Could this be the best sci-fi, I have read?

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      5 out of 5 stars
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    • miavf
    • 06/02/2023

    Interesting and refreshing

    In some chapters where kind of slow but with a present at the end of the book, I can’t wait for the next one.

    • Global
      2 out of 5 stars
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    • Utilisateur anonyme
    • 04/02/2023

    Overrated

    I don't really understand the hype. The story is so dull and keeps dragging on. Zero character development. Parts of the plot is just plain nonsensical. But somehow, because the book is sprinkled with some scientific facts people seem to eat it up. I also didn't care much for some of the voice acting. Some characters are over-exaggerated to the point where it becomes annoying.

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    • Dan
    • 11/11/2022

    And the story continues...

    this book has everything the first one has plus more. More philosophy, more darkness, more mind games. Thoroughly enjoyed from start to finish.

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      4 out of 5 stars
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    • Jesper
    • 24/10/2022

    Interesting but long winded

    Narrator does a good job. Some parts of the story drag on. Very spooky.

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      4 out of 5 stars
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    • Tenno
    • 21/02/2017

    Anders, aber sehr gut!

    Etwas irritierend ist zu Beginn, dass die Personen andere sind, als im ersten Teil, was durch die zunächst nur schwer unterscheidbaren chinesischen Namen nicht einfacher wird, und dass die Handlung nicht mehr in der jüngeren Vergangenheit und Gegenwart stattfindet, sondern in einer immer ferneren Zukunft. Nach ein wenig Reinhören wird es aber richtig spannend, auch weil die vielen aufgeworfenen philosophisch-existentiellen Fragen fesseln!

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      2 out of 5 stars
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    • Kunde
    • 30/10/2017

    The stupidity will blow your mind

    This book offers an interesting story and promises great difficult challenges and creative solutions to them. But it only delivers part of that.
    And the worst thing is that at some part in the story, you are presented with that VERY obvious trap that you see coming for ages and nobody in the book seems to care about... it might drive you mad. I've never felt that much disrespect from any author... does he really thing that even a small part of the readers didn't see that blatant plot twist coming for miles? Details in the spoiler-section below.
    If you don't mind that, the book is an interesting read, but please don't say that you hadn't been warned.


    ***STORY SPOILERS BELOW***

    ***STORY SPOILERS BELOW***



    The problem for me is that some of the time-steps in the story leave you puzzled. Before this one major timestep, everything seems to be in control. Jump 180 years into the future, and suddenly everyone seems to have gone totally mad. The frightening enemy that's hundreds of years ahead of you technologically (without any chance of closing that gap) is on course to invading earth... but suddenly, everyone is so convinced that defeating them is only a trivial matter. The "new" earthlings are already celebrating their victory against that still totally unknown and mysterious invader that they hardly know anything about. They are shedding tears of joy and walk into this VERY VERY obvious trap. The whole process takes about 50 pages (which feel more like 300 pages), and everyone is celebrating while you can't stop banging your head against the wall in disbelieve. How stupid does the author think we are? I can hardly think of anyone that would not have called that one out. And the characters in the book just turn stupid, all at the same time, and walk into the trap. There aren't even doubts or anything that might make you get back your faith in the story.
    Afterwards, they have long philosophical discussions that show how everyone know for hundreds of years that peace with an unknown race is highly improbably, just to rub it into your face.

    I'm not sure what other obvious plot-twists the author will force onto me in the future, but this one has been the worst I have read in a few hundred books over the last 20 years. And let me tell you, I have encountered a few books with very stupid writing.

    It was VERY difficult to get through that part of the book, and if I hadn't already bought the third book of the trilogy I'd have stopped right there.
    I certainly won't buy another book from this author, I haven't felt so stupid for a long time.

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      5 out of 5 stars
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    • Robert Klings
    • 07/02/2017

    Epic

    Beautifully narrated! Lots of food for thought! Just difficult to keep track of all the Chinese names.

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    • Robert B
    • 01/06/2017

    Great

    Started off slowly and turned out to be a worthy sequel. Quite philosophical and ruminous.

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    • Global
      5 out of 5 stars
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    • Great Leap Forward
    • 20/02/2022

    Narrator not perfect, Audio production not so vood

    The narrator feels at times a little robotic. It's made worse by the post production, which is audibly clipping the beginning of sentences.

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    • Global
      3 out of 5 stars
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      2 out of 5 stars
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    • Marko Malkowski
    • 06/01/2022

    Anfangs gut, Ende meh.

    Wenn es am Anfang noch fesseln kann ist der letze Teil sehr vorhersehbar und am Ende wird es so unrealistisch im Kontext des gesamten Buches.

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    • Global
      5 out of 5 stars
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    • Konstantinos
    • 04/03/2019

    An amazing philosophical treatise hidden in a nove

    The narration is good. The different accents was the only thing that made remembering who is who possible.

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      5 out of 5 stars
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    • Utilisateur anonyme
    • 31/07/2023

    different and very creative

    A great and different kind of story, which is focusing a lot on technical stuff. If you're not native english it's hell of a challenge, but it's possible and totally worth it.

    • Global
      5 out of 5 stars
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      4 out of 5 stars
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    • KF
    • 18/02/2023

    Continues to amaze

    It's a worthy continuation of the first installment.
    I've enjoyed listening to it very much and were often reminded of the current stupidity going on in world affairs.

    • Global
      5 out of 5 stars
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    • R. Pawlitschko
    • 26/01/2023

    Incredible deep!

    This novel touches on so many philosophical topics, that no review can do it justice. The dark forest theory is worth contemplating. The question about our moral code in the face of scarcity and the drive for survival could fill entire books. Hero worship and our contempt if they fail us... Hedonism, irrational optimism, defeatism, the value of STEM research, the speed of technological progress, institutional failure of catastrophic dimensions because of peer pressure and conformity in thinking...

    The first two books of this trilogy are a masterpiece!