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s a game safe just because it’s made for kids? Former CIA operative Nic McKinley joins Big Penn to discuss Roblox, online grooming, and the risks parents may overlook.

Nic returns to Swaggy Vets: Life After Boots for a direct conversation about protecting children online and disrupting human trafficking. A former U.S. Air Force Pararescueman and founder of DeliverFund, Nic explains how his team uses intelligence analysts, data, and technology to help law enforcement investigate trafficking networks.

In this episode, we discuss:

• Why Nic challenges parents’ assumptions about Roblox and social media safety.
• How predators can use attention, friendship, and gifts to manipulate young people.
• How DeliverFund turns digital information into leads for law enforcement.
• Why funding, staffing, and prosecution matter alongside technology.
• Nic’s “10 Points of Disruption” framework for targeting trafficking businesses.
• His account of DeliverFund’s work supporting attorneys representing an Epstein victim.
• The screen and internet rules Nic uses with his own children.

From military service to a new mission, this conversation explores how veterans can apply their experience to protecting communities—and why Nic believes parents need to take a more active role in their children’s online lives.

What is one rule you use at home to keep your children safer online? Share it in the comments.

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CHAPTERS

00:00 Roblox, Social Media & Online Safety
02:35 What Parents Misunderstand About Online Grooming
06:48 How Predators Build Trust
12:09 Who Is Responsible for Protecting Children Online?
15:09 Inside DeliverFund: Intelligence Against Trafficking
18:12 Turning Digital Leads Into Investigations
24:23 Human Analysts, Technology & Major Operations
27:55 Actionable Intelligence & Finding Missing Children
32:56 Why Trafficking Cases Stall
36:29 Disrupting Traffickers Across Jurisdictions
38:27 Funding DeliverFund & Reaching More Officers
44:04 The 10 Points of Disruption
47:19 Sentencing, Accountability & Funding Priorities
52:46 DeliverFund & the Epstein Files
1:00:23 How Trafficking Investigations Expose Other Crimes
1:05:44 Nic’s Proposal for a Federal Anti-Trafficking Force
1:10:15 What’s Next for DeliverFund?
1:14:25 Is There a Typical Trafficker?
1:17:36 Nic’s Rules for Screens & Internet at Home

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